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Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
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Need an advice on how best to proceed.

Bailiff came around today demanding payment. This is the first time the owner of the car was aware of outstanding PCN and the court order. Only evidence they produced was the footage of the car (bus lane) and screenshot of the PCN from the website https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/ which is recorded as "warrrant issued". When checking on Waltham Forest https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/parking-fines-and-removals/pay-parking-penalty-charge-notice-pcn page there's no record of PCN.

Looks like this is what happended. The dealer filled in V5C but few weeks later they called in to say that they've made mistake on the address and reapplied the V5C. The V5C was received almost 6 weeks after the purchase of the car. The contravention probably occured before the amended V5C and the PCN related documents plus court paperworks were likely sent to address that the dealer filled in. 

Will appreciate any advice before bailiff turns up tomorrow.

Thanks.

Timeline:

V5C:
Date of first Registration : 27/05/2025
Issue date: 17/07/2025

PCN:
council : Waltham Forest
Contravention Date: 14/06/2025
Location: Lea Bridge Road
Code: 47
« Last Edit: November 13, 2025, 10:36:12 pm by ghostivv »

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Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
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Your only avenue now, (with bailiffs already instructed), is to submit an Out-of-Time Witness Statement, or Statutory Declaration to the Traffic Enforcement Centre. Which one to submit depends on what Act of Parliament the original PCN was served under.

So please post-up the documentation. Redact only name and address.

The bailiff visit will add another £235 onto the amount owing, so if you can pay before he turns up, you'll avoid this, (hopefully !).

Paying the bailiff has no effect on whether your OOT submission above is accepted or not.
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Problem is they don't have any paperworks which were never received. Not even Notice of Enforcement was served to current address. The bailiffs visit was a total surprise and at first thought it was a scam as only thing they were showing was a screenshot of PCN details on their phone. Reading through some other posts in here, Notice of Enforcement should have been posted to current address before visit?

Edit: Thanks will advice to pay up the fine if bailiff turns up today. what kind of evidence or paperworks we can request to have? eg name & company of bailiff, individual name, receipt of payment, warrant etc.

Edit2: Car has been clamped.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2025, 09:13:04 am by ghostivv »

Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
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OK I think what's the problem here is.

The door number is 45B. There are others with door number A-D. The Notice of Enforcement was issued to 45 (without suffix) and never delivered to any address.

Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
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OP, you keep posting in the third person e.g. the owner, they, we etc.

Can we sort out who's who first pl. This is procedural at present and who's who is vitally important.
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Hi

Sorry for confusion. I'm helping a friend. As I'm registered here, it'll be easier to pass on the advice given here.

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Fee of £560 paid to release the clamp after advice from bailiffadviceonline.FOI request to have details of PCN and related documents sent to Waltham Forest. Request to have copy of Notice of Enforcement and N125 Certificate of service also sent to Martson. Contacted car dealer and requested in writing explaining error made on V5C which they've said they'll look into.

Only information currently known are PCN number, Martson recovery fee and reference number and confirmation on live chat that the Notice of Enforcement was sent on 30th Oct 2025 to address 45 XXXXX Road (correct address : 45B XXXXX Road). Apart from Martson receipt of payment, there are no other related documents.

What happens to legal documents if there is no address to deliver eg door no doesn't exist? Returns back to original sender? Is there anyway to find the court address where this NoE was issued?

It's an unfortunate situation but that the Baillifs pounced on the fact that NoE was not served on correct address, no time to response against such notice and took advantage of it.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2025, 11:42:49 am by ghostivv »

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I would suggest you stick with bailiffadviceonline, because your friend will need to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration, and it is essential the facts are presented properly to avoid a rejection.

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2025, 12:37:38 pm by ghostivv »

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How blatant was the dealer error ? I ask because the council can object to an OOT submission, and will probably do so, and they would be backed up by the duty on a new V5C holder of checking the details are correct on receipt of it. Other thing is did you not notice that you were not receiving VED renewal reminders ?

Don't let this put you off submitting your SD, but be aware what might be said by the council.

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...did you not notice that you were not receiving VED renewal reminders ?

OP said the V5 address was corrected six weeks after buying the car, so there wouldn't be any missing VED reminders.
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update:

Received reply from TEC that the forms PE2/P3sent were wrong and to reapply with TE7/TE9. PE2 and PE3 were filled by baillifadvieonline. No reply from them when informed that they have provided wrong form. They were highly referred in this forum but our experience been opposite. Late to reply and took almost 7 days to send wrong forms. Correct TE7 and TE9 sent on 02/12/2025.

Response received from council on the complaint made. They have asked to forward supporting documents (dealership letter explaining wrong address during purchase and registering of V5C) to parking manager (email provided) for further review.

Also received response from Martson about the complaint that their enforcement agents in breach of The Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013 without giving proper notice and time. Their response :

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I have carefully reviewed the information you provided and completed a full investigation. Your complaint concerns you did not receive any correspondence prior to an enforcement agent clamping your vehicle.

We sent the Notice of Enforcement letter to you in good faith. We are only required to ensure that the letter is sent and not take further steps to make sure that it is received. This is in line with current legislation.

is this correct?

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That's rare error by Bailiff Advice - code 47 is stopped on a bus stop and is a parking not a moving traffic contravention, and this has also caught out some members here.

So by response to complaint is this the response to the out of time witness statement? 
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sorry for confusion. Quoted part is the response from Martson Holdings, the enforcement firm.

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Received reply from Martson when requested for the "current legislation" in regard to delivery of Notice of Enforcement. Their reply:

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In line with the Interpretation Act 1978 regarding notice, we are required to post the letter, and this is sufficient for us to presume that notice has been given. For us to consider that notice hasn’t been received, you would need to provide evidence in support of this.

The act :

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7 References to service by post.
Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.

Anyone care to explain in simple words? I still believe the Enforcement firm (and agents) were in breach of laws even if they're relying on above act.

Also what kind of evidence to provide? Address proof, V5C showing the correct address?