Author Topic: Much appreciate any help / guidance with 47j PCN. Still cant get my head around this PCN  (Read 674 times)

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It's obvious that the wrong decision has been attached to your case so you'll need to contact the Tribunal.

But as it is the wrong decision, and therefore an admin. error, this cannot change what actually transpired at the hearing which at present only the OP knows.

OP, putting the wrong decision to one side, what did the adjudicator give as their reasons at the hearing? Did they refer to 'one of several cases' at that time or is this something you've latched on to later?

Thanks again. He only countered me, and didnt give any specific reason.

1) You were in the wrong lane not in the traffic
> Yes, because I was looking to park ahead in the parking lane, where the car just parked and seemed like there would have been space, but it was a misjudgement on my part, but I tried to then manouver right and move on, but it was late, since there were incoming vehicles

2) There was not enough space to park
> Correct, but thats in hindsight. There was space, but the vehicle ahead of me parked just before of me when I was driving towards it, and it would have been visible if only the council provided the video just before where it starts.

3) You had the left indicator on.
> Yes, since I was looking to park, but I changed it on realising not much space

4) Referred me to the picture where the car from behind seemed long behind
> Yes, but that's in the picture. Please look at the video where you can see that it would have bumped into me if I had turned right.


Call the tribunal and ask them to put up the correct decision on your case.

We can then look at it to see if it warrants a review (but have to say that's unlikely).



See paras. 10, 11 and 12(2)(a) https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/576/schedule/1

The review 'clock' won't start ticking until the decision is served on you.

Thank you so v much. I am not keeping hopes high tbh. But quite disappointed with the process. I have called up the Tribunal as advised who mentioned that they have raised this with the case management and shall get back to me, perhaps in coming days.

You should write not just phone.

A thought from left field:

How alert will the authority be to this error?

If you weren't to pay the full penalty then the authority could serve a Charge Certificate as follows:

d)where P has made an unsuccessful appeal to an adjudicator under the 2022 Appeals Regulations against a notice of rejection and sub-paragraph (c) does not apply[it doesn't], the date on which the adjudicator’s decision is served on P.

As yet, this decision* has not been served. So if the authority were to act upon the first notification they could issue a CC prematurely. This could get the whole issue referred back to the (hopefully different) adjudicator.

*- I interpret 'decision' not to be just allowed or rejected but to encompass the adjudicator's reasons. IMO, to interpret otherwise would deny the appellant the opportunity to consider applying for a review - which is a standard part of the appeals procedure- because they wouldn't have sufficient info and as the service of the decision is integral to this part of procedure then so it would be here.

But first confirm your conversation in writing and then let's see the written decision. 

Interesting. Sent an email as well for future documentation. Will post the group when I receive any further response / correspondence. Thanks a ton again !!

All correspondence in this instance should be in writing.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Dear members,

I am so pleased to share that I received my correct/revised decision stating that my appeal has been upheld - Hurray !! Many Thanks for the advice and support - it is highly appreciated.

For the benefit of other members in future, here is the reasoning.

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At this scheduled personal hearing the Appellant attended in person but the Enforcement Authority did not attend and were not represented.

A contravention can occur is a vehicle is stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand. The Penalty Charge Notice was issued under Regulation 10 of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022(the '2022 General Regulations') on the basis of a record produced by an approved device.

A bus stop clearway or bus stand clearway is one of the circumstances referred to in Regulation 11(1)(b) of the 2022 General Regulations, as an exception to the requirement that a penalty charge notice may be served only by the fixing of a notice to the vehicle by a civil enforcement officer who has reason to believe that a penalty charge is payable with respect to it.

There appears to be no dispute that the vehicle was stopped at this bus stop in Dulwich Road, as shown in the closed-circuit television (cctv) images produced by the Enforcement Authority.

The Appellant says that he is aware that he cannot stop on the bus stop and drove to park into the parking bay adjoining it but immediately realised there was not enough space. The Appellant explains that as he was trying to move on, the flow of traffic prevented him from doing so immediately as there were two oncoming vehicles and a cyclist, so he had to wait to avoid an accident.

I have had the opportunity of hearing the Appellant personally and accept what he tells me. The Adjudicator is only able to decide an appeal by making findings of fact on the basis of the evidence actually produced by the parties and applying relevant law. Considering all the evidence before me carefully I cannot find as a fact that, on this particular occasion, a contravention did occur.  Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.

In any event Lambeth's website is all over the place at present with threats appearing in many legislations to increase the privce.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r