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@stamfordman @h c anderson

Correct - the car is not leased

I am not the registered keeper, my father is

The photo of the rear of the lorry is mine. Taken after the ticket was given

Not sure when the car was parked there. May have been half an 30/45mins or less?

Thanks all,
Irfan.

There isn't a period set in regs.

I suspect that the council might mention aspirational targets somewhere on its website.

You either receive a response or your father gets a NTO some time after 12 Dec.

Morning all, @cp8759 @stamfordman @Phantomcrusader @h c anderson - i've had a reply from the Council. Letter has been uploaded - see links. Content of the letter has been copied in below too.

I could simply reply and state the sign was clearly blocked by getting a clear by the large vehicle. Thoughts?


https://imgur.com/a/manchester-city-council-parking-fine-reply-1-55BmTJK
https://imgur.com/a/manchester-city-council-parking-fine-reply-2-96FXIYF


***
 Thank you for your enquiry, which we received on 21 October 2024.
You were issued with a PCN for parking in a resident permit zone without displaying a
 resident's permit or holding a valid E-Permit.
 I have noted your comments and can confirm that the location where you parked your vehicle
 is within the resident permit zone. Signs are in place at entry points into the zone which
 advises drivers of the restrictions in place. As these restrictions are standardised within the
 zone, additional signs are not needed. The way we sign the restrictions is compliant with the
 current legislation .All residents and visitors must have a permit to park within the resident
 permit zone during the operational hours of the scheme. It is the responsibility of the motorist
 to be aware of the parking restrictions and park in accordance to them.
 I have carefully considered your case and I am satisfied that your PCN was issued correctly,
 and as such, I have taken the decision not to cancel it.
 To view images taken at the time your PCN was issued, please visit
www.manchester.gov.uk/parking
 You have these choices:
 1. The PCN will be reduced to £35.00 if it is paid within 14 days from the date this letter was
 served.
 2. If you do not pay the PCN within 14 days of this letter being served, the charge will
 increase to £70.00.
3. If the PCN is not paid or successfully challenged, the Council may serve a Notice to Owner
 (NtO) after 28 days of the PCN being served on the owner of the vehicle requiring payment of
 the full PCN. The owner can then make representations to the Council and may appeal to an
 independent adjudicator if those representations are rejected. The NtO will contain
 instructions for doing this.
 HOW TO PAY- Online at www.manchester.gov.uk/parking and follow the links to Pay PCN. - By telephone credit/debit card payments only. Use our automated payment line 0161 234
 5006 (24 hours, seven days a week).Please have your vehicle details and PCN number
 ready.- In person at any PayPoint, you will need to take your PCN to allow the barcode to be
 scanned.
 Yours sincerely
 M Chan
 Parking Services Officer
 Parking Services
***


Thanks all,
Irfan.

Don't often disagree with our esteemed admin but this was a daft challenge that gets you no further forward.

Well it does, because it places the burden on the council to prove (with evidence) that there was a restriction. One of the most annoying scenarios I come across is where there is no evidence from the authority of a restriction, but the representations concede that a restriction existed in the first place, as that effectively amounts to confession evidence.

So far the council has not advanced anything that proves there was a restriction, so I would not make any admissions in this regard. If at a later stage the council comes up with some evidence, you can always add rebuttal evidence. If you admit that there was a restriction, you can't take that back and you might have shot yourself in the foot.

I would recommend waiting for the NTO and then making the same representation again.

@iffy_jiffy you shouldn't reply to the council now, you must wait for the NTO before contacting the council again.

Thanka both @cp8759 @stamfordman.

Is it worth me replying now and trying to kill this off now by stating the sign was obstructed and not clearly visible as per the CEO's and my own pictures?

Appreciate there is disagreement on this and you both know way more than me on this.

Cool @cp8759. I'll wait for the NTO.

Thanks,
Irfan.

Morning, @cp8759 @stamfordman @h c anderson, i've received the NTO from Manchester City Council, could you advise next steps please?

https://imgur.com/a/GFgxf8Z - Page 1
https://imgur.com/a/i5yLp3x - Page 2
https://imgur.com/a/yOKcnrw - Page 3
https://imgur.com/a/N9SHZuW - Page 4

Thanks all,
Irfan.

@iffy_jiffy my suggestion would be very simple:


Send this online and take a screenshot of the confirmation page.

Also here's some useful evidence for the tribunal stage: