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Looking for Help Appealing a Parking Fine
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Hi all, I got a parking ticket today (Sunday 6th October, 10:37am) for parking on a single yellow line in Golders Green, Barnet, London with the offence listed as "01 Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours".

The issue is that I don't think there is any sign at all saying what times you are allowed to park there - even after I got the ticket I searched high and low and found nothing! Nothing on street posts, nothing on the wall, nothing at the entrance to the road.

The exact location was outside 104 Hodford Rd, London NW11 8EG and can be seen here, in front of the tree in the centre of this link:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5715459,-0.1968477,3a,75y,169.44h,73.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spOCyo7LT3XQyiInXV8hd5A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

with the entrance to the road, here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5719838,-0.1966014,3a,75y,201.2h,86.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqfR1l3c1PpvPhJwfHqKehw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Here is a link to the ticket itself:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UNDVgdE2G-J_ItfTNT8RmKLJusp32nJd/view

Could someone advise me if I have missed something here (hopefully a walk around google street view will help diagnose) and if I have grounds for appeal?

Thank you in advance.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2024, 01:51:45 pm by mattjustmatt »

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Re: Looking for Help Appealing a Parking Fine
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double post sorry

Re: Looking for Help Appealing a Parking Fine
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Please read the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum and then post up al of the PCN.

This road purports to be in a controlled parking zone. The operational hours are on the zone entrances.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2024, 02:19:19 pm by Enceladus »

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Please read the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum and then post up al of the PCN.

This road purports to be in a controlled parking zone. The operational hours are on the street entrances.
thank you, could you possibly check the second link I sent showing the entrance to the road?

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Sorry, I meant to say zone entrances.

One of the zone entrances seems to be at the other end of Hodford Road from where you parked. The sign is on the right and it shows the controlled hours to be Mon-Sat 8am-6:30pm & Sunday 9:30am-6:30pm. There is also a sign on the left side of the road, Hours are Mon-Fri 11am-Midday. This sign seems to have been rotated so probably facing the wrong way. However that's GSV from June 2022 and may not be current.

The signs above, you posted a link to, are a prohibition on buses, except local buses. That's what the sign on the left just before the bus stop means. The also a no bus sign on the right of the road which doesn't have the local bus exception, at least on GSV, for some reason.

However the bus signs are of no relevance to you. There must be more CPZ entrance signs situated before the Hodford Road / Golder's Green Road junction. I'd say it's all too confusing, there should be zone repeater signs with the hours on the affected streets. See what others have to say.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2024, 03:46:35 pm by Enceladus »

Re: Looking for Help Appealing a Parking Fine
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According to this
https://barnet.traffweb.app/traffweb/1/TrafficOrders

and searching on '104 Hodford Rd, NW11 8EG'

Hodford Road seems to be in Zone G or Zone W. What you really need is a map of Barnet's CPZs - Mr Mustard, our resident Barnet expert, may know of one. You have to discover if there is adequate signage at point you entered the Zone, which may be several streets away, as signs at ther boundary of a Zone govern all unsigned SYLs within the Zone.

There isa map of zones here, but it is not easy to use and does not designate zone letters.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2024, 03:17:28 pm by John U.K. »

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If that's the case, then I'm sure there will be a sign somewhere, but is that reasonable and expected, especially for a non Barnet resident, to know that a sign would be streets away and to go looking for it that far?

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If that's the case, then I'm sure there will be a sign somewhere, but is that reasonable and expected, especially for a non Barnet resident, to know that a sign would be streets away and to go looking for it that far?

There are now very few areas inside the M25 that do not fall in a CPZ, which means if yoiu see an unsigned SYL it is almost certain to be governed by a CPZ sign. The driver is expected to have noticed the upright signs at the entrance just as he would a sign No Entry or One Way or a School Street.

All London Boroughs seems to treat traffic enforcement as a cash cow :(

You could post up the back of the PCN, ion case of errors in the 'small print', and also any Council Photos (these will probably not be online until tomorrow or Tuesday).

Re: Looking for Help Appealing a Parking Fine
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If that's the case, then I'm sure there will be a sign somewhere, but is that reasonable and expected, especially for a non Barnet resident, to know that a sign would be streets away and to go looking for it that far?
The point is that in order to park where you did, you would have had to pass one of the zone entrance signs. For large zones the recommendation is that repeater signs are used inside the zone, but it's not obligatory.
Clearly if zone entrance signs are damaged or missing, one has the basis for an appeal.

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Is there no limit to how large a system can be?? Could you potentially drive for a mile since you last saw a cpz sign? And it would still be enforceable? What if somebody has difficulty walking long distances and they want to park their etc?

In this particular instance, I've retraced my route on Google maps so far and still not found any cpz sign so I'm wondering how far one has to go before it would be deemed too much?

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you can't rely on Google maps for signage as the images maybe old and not representative of the current situation which is the salient point
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