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Evening Folks,

I am not sure if this is worth fighting for but would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Mrs was picking something up from a shop that took 5 mins and when she was back the ticket was already affixed. She`s adamant that the warden must have been there when she was parking.

16Q is for Market trader bays but she mistook that it was free for 15 mins ( that only starts from 2pm onwards).

I can`t see anything wrong with that PCN, maybe the parking bay isn`t marked properly as per the Google Image? but that maybe a long shot.

Please let me know if there is any ground for appeal.

Google Map - https://maps.app.goo.gl/NZ3FMPzQitXq7gTFA






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Please show us the back of the PCN, it may contain a fatal error rendering it void. The sign seems clear enough to me although there is quite a lot to read.  Apart from that you're looking at whether the traffic order for the bay is correct in all detail. There may be something else I've forgotten about, so wait a bit to see what the others say, but don't miss any deadlines on the PCN.

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Please find the back of the PCN below


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if date of notice was 14th - aM i right in saying the last date to appeal is 28th?

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14th is day one, so 27th by my reckoning.

EDIT
Haviong checked your PCN, its date is 15th.... so final date is the 28th.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2024, 09:24:22 pm by John U.K. »

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The bay appears to be marked correctly based on map tiles CL39 and CM39 and the map legend, this might be one for the strategy of last resort but you'd have to come up with some mitigation worth mentioning.

The traffic order is The Waltham Forest (Charged-For Parking Places) Order 2019.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2024, 12:07:40 am by cp8759 »
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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The bay appears to be marked correctly based on map tiles CL39 and CM39 and the map legend, this might be one for the strategy of last resort but you'd have to come up with some mitigation worth mentioning.

The traffic order is The Waltham Forest (Charged-For Parking Places) Order 2019.

What I meant was the bay wasn`t painted correctly - I could go option 2, appeal and mention that it wasn`t even painted correctly, if they trip up fair enough otherwise i`ll pay whilst the discount is still on during the appeal process. 

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Hello everyone. Given that today is the last day, any idea of what can be done? Or should i bite the bullet on this?

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I am drafting a letter to send and will also include a picture with an image grabber link

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What I meant was the bay wasn`t painted correctly
In what way was the bay not painted correctly?

Post any draft on here before sending it please.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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What I meant was the bay wasn`t painted correctly
In what way was the bay not painted correctly?

Post any draft on here before sending it please.

Hi @Cp - Yesterday 28th was the last day and I have sent an appeal already.
By bay not painted correctly, I meant the white lines on the floor. The Google map image which was from Aug 2022 shows that they were starting to fade and now they have not been repainted since. Not sure if this will be admissible but I have also included some pictures (with links from grabify) which would show if they have clicked on the evidence submitted.

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Can you post copies of the photos you've sent them on here please? I haven't clicked the links in the version you PM'ed me as I think they're the links with the click counter.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Can you post copies of the photos you've sent them on here please? I haven't clicked the links in the version you PM'ed me as I think they're the links with the click counter.

Hi - I PMd you - I included a receipt which tallies with the timing -


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Can you post copies of the photos you've sent them on here please? I haven't clicked the links in the version you PM'ed me as I think they're the links with the click counter.

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WF has rejected the appeal and has not viewed the evidence as there`s no click on the click logger website. Is it just a case of waiting till they send the NTO?