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Re: TFL red route parking bay postal PCN
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Quote from: HS12 on November 09, 2023, 10:00:11 pm
Hearing listed for Dec 6th
I see you've decided to go it alone, so I can only wish you good luck!
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I did get involved in the end, outcome here.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL red route parking bay postal PCN
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Appeal successful, all thanks to cp8759!
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Update:
TFL have submitted a request to review the decision to the Environment & Traffic Adjudicator at London Tribunals.

Hearing listed for 31/01/24
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Re: TFL red route parking bay postal PCN
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@cp, would you know on what point of law have they requested a review and were review requests made for any of the other cited cases?

I can't see that the JR decision (which is the only related and recent decision that I can find) affects this case because it doesn't deal with the 'how' but rather the 'whether permitted' issue.

I still can't get my head around the apparent generic use of the term 'parking place' (even in the JR) when used in the context of a RR. A parking place other than on a RR is a length of highway set aside by legislative instrument for parking, a TMO/TRO. It is not an exception to its immediately adjoining environment, it's separate. Whereas a so-called 'parking place' on a RR is a length of highway situated in a red route where by exception to the prevailing stopping prohibition 'parking' and related activities may be undertaken.

Whether the difference is substantive or semantic perhaps the Flame Pit could assist which is where this is being copied.

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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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The saga continues.
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Re: TFL red route parking bay postal PCN
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 08, 2024, 02:42:11 pm
The saga continues.
It does indeed, there is outstanding litigation before the First-tier Tribunal to force TFL to provide further evidence. If I end up making and out of time review application I will point out to the tribunal that that was an outcome I forewarned them about.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL red route parking bay postal PCN
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Hello all,

I heard that this case (https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Red%20Route%20Panel%20Decision.pdf)  has been overturned.... does anyone have the latest case which overturned it and is the new precedent??? Thanks  :)

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