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Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #15 on: »
Good.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

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Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #16 on: »
@Hippocrates

Representation submitted, will let you know the outcome.

Many thanks.

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #17 on: »
@Hippocrates

Notice of Rejection of Representation received 28/11/24, dated 25/11/24

Should I scan & post it here?

What are the next steps?

Many thanks.

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #18 on: »
Please. And this is the current status which is an illegal threat:

Penalty Charge Notice details
Ticket ReferenceZY09848835
Your PCN is at full rate stage. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberGV59FUT
ColourGREY
MakeMAZDA
Contravention53j - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement)
LocationUpper Brockley Road Junction of Ashby Road
First seen atThu, 17 Oct 2024 15:40
Issued atThu, 17 Oct 2024 15:40
Served byPost
The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £195.00 on Thu, 12 Dec 2024. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Mon, 25 Nov 2024. You cannot make representations twice
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #19 on: »
@Hippocrates

I had to scan it as a PDF which I then found Imgur can't handle, so have stored it on Google Drive, share link is here -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_dGKHd_WcgUKR73n4rWLHI3MA0wEwrhF/view?usp=sharing

Please shout if you can't access it.

Many thanks.


Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #20 on: »
Cannot access. E mail it to me via my PM. Got it thanks.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2024, 08:24:34 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #21 on: »
@Hippocrates If you have time I'd appreciate a realistic indication of my chances at tribunal, to allow me to decide whether to appeal.

What would be the grounds for appeal? Would it purely be the anomalies with the PCN dates & incorrect / threatening demands for payment, or are there other reasons - inadequate / confusing signage, the road being closed affecting the choice of routes available, the lack of an address for physical payment?

Many thanks as always.

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #22 on: »
Yes. I say Tribunal time.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #23 on: »
@Hippocrates could you briefly explain the appeal process please? And would you be willing & able to assist me with it? Many thanks.

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #24 on: »
Just checking the status quo, it's still asking me to pay £65, but it's now saying it will increase to £195 "very soon". Is this vague timescale within the regulations? Do I need to guess when it will be? Is this another ground for appeal?




Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #25 on: »
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Is this vague timescale within the regulations? Do I need to guess when it will be? Is this another ground for appeal?
This is typical council intimidation, to "encourage" you to cough-up, but whilst useful to include in any reps to an adjudicator, is unlikely to be the sole reason for a win. I presume they have re-offered the discount in a letter of rejection. The date when this expires would not seem to be included in their computer system functionality, hence the vagueness.

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #26 on: »
Yes the discount was offered for 14 days, which should have been 12/12, but the status quo was stating it would go up to £195 then instead of £130?

Another thing I would like advice on, the height of the restriction signs. I think I've read that there are no regulations / guidelines for this, but I went out and measured them today and the bottom of the signs are 3.4m & 3.6m. Surely that is too high? If you're turning left there's no way you can see them from the driver's seat!

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #27 on: »
2240451990

3ff: 3. Mr Morgan has provided a screenshot showing the online portal on the Authority's website, with information about the Appellant's appeal and its current status. The date shown on the desktop is 2 November 2024. There is a message highlighted in yellow, which states "The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £195.00 on Sun, 3 Nov 2024. Please pay £130.00 now." Mr Morgan submitted that this amounted to bullying and was incorrect. Mr Morgan referred me to the decision of Adjudicator Houghton in 2240362722, where an appeal was allowed when the same message was displayed.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #28 on: »
@Hippocrates could you briefly explain the appeal process please? And would you be willing & able to assist me with it? Many thanks.
Of course. By e mail. Really busy today and have a musical weekend and much travel involved too.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby Rd
« Reply #29 on: »
An update on this case...

@Hippocrates kindly submitted an appeal on my behalf to the London Tribunals on 24th Dec 24, I believe without providing any evidence from our side. The hearing was set for Feb 10th 25. I was just starting to get geared up for this when I received an email with an attachment of the letter below.

So I presume that is case closed? No hearing, no fine?

If so then obviously I am very relieved, and pleased that the outcome reflects common sense. But a small part of me does want to know whether the reason for not contesting the appeal was due to fairness & justice, or was it just some admin issue - not having the resources or something?

Does this thread need to go in the successes folder or somewhere?

Many, many thanks for all your help.