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Last month I bought a rug from a carpet shop in Lewisham.  Because the rug was large & heavy when rolled up, I went & got the car and parked in the loading bay in front.  I went in to get it and one of the carpet shop guys helped me carry it out & load it into my car.  Definitely ‘loading’.  However by the time we got to the car with it, I had a ticket. Contravention 25 “Parked in a loading place during restricted hours without loading”

I appealed the PCN.  In my appeal, I explained I was loading.  The carpet shop wrote me a note to confirm that I was indeed collecting a rug, which I attached.  It was not an invoice because I paid cash in hand (shh) but the manager gave his name and confirmed that they can call him at the carpet shop to confirm.  I therefore wrote in my appeal that Lewisham Council are welcome to call the carpet shop to confirm this, and I attached one of their business cards.

However I have received a rejection, which says:
I have noted your comments and investigated the evidence gathered by the Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) at the time of the contravention. I am satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly and there are no grounds for the cancellation of it. This letter is issued as a rejection of your challenge.
I understand you stated you were loading/unloading when the contravention took place.
I have noted your comments and proof. I can advise that the PCN was issued as the vehicle was seen parked in a loading bay without active loading being seen. The sign says 'loading only' and pictures a person pushing a trolley. The issuing Civil Enforcement Officer observed your vehicle and during the observation period saw no loading / unloading taking place. Once loading / unloading has been carried out, the vehicle should be moved straight away, time is not allowed to unpack or install the goods delivered. The issuing officer observed the vehicle for more than 5 minutes and saw no driver or loading / unloading taking place.


Is this correct – that even if you WERE loading, it is still a contravention if the enforcement officer does not SEE you loading?
And/or I suspect they did not call the carpet shop to confirm - do I have a case based on failure to consider?

If the consensus is that there is no point in fighting this, then I would like to pay by Friday because they emailed me their rejection on 27th September and they say We will accept the reduced payment at £65 as full and final settlement if the payment is received within 14 days from the date of this letter. Regrettably, if the payment is not received within 14 days, the full amount of £130 will be due.

Thank you





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Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
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Homework: log onto their website and see what it says and report back please.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #2 on: »
Ok here you go - screenshots from their website:


Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #3 on: »
Excellent! They are threatening to serve a charge certificate on 14th and you have not received a Notice to Owner yet if I am correct?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #4 on: »
And it isn't a 'loading bay' - you cannot have a yellow line within a 24/7 so-called loading bay.

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #5 on: »
I’m not sure what a ‘charge certificate’ is but you are correct that I have not received a Notice to Owner.  In fact their letter says that if I wish to contest further I should wait for a NTO (which will be sent if no payment received)

So what should I do now?  Should I wait for the NTO, or write something now?

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #6 on: »
Just wait for the NTO and do nothing. If they issue a Charge Certificate , get back to us.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #7 on: »
Okay, will do.

Just so I know, is a 'charge certificate' the same as 'Notice to Owner'?
(apologies if this is a silly question)

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #8 on: »
what if NTO disappears in post and only the Charge Certificate arrives?

they mail these PCNs without tracking and then claim it was dispatched at a certain date...

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #9 on: »
Okay, will do.

Just so I know, is a 'charge certificate' the same as 'Notice to Owner'?
(apologies if this is a silly question)
No it isn't, they are two separate statutory documents.
If a PCN is served at the roadside to a car or the driver, and the recipient does not pay it, or submit representations, the council are entitled to serve a Notice to Owner on the keeper of the vehicle as recorded by DVLA, and which is shown on the V5C. This is because under the legislation, the owner of the vehicle has legal responsibility for paying or appealing the PCN. If nothing is paid when a Notice to Owner is served, the council can then serve a Charge Certificate. This increases the penalty by 50% and cannot be appealed, only paid.

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #10 on: »
Okay, will do.

Just so I know, is a 'charge certificate' the same as 'Notice to Owner'?
(apologies if this is a silly question)

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process

The process explained. If they issue an increase on 14th, then this will constitute an abuse of the statutory process - many councils do this believe it or not.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2024, 09:36:45 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #11 on: »
So shall I check on Monday (14th) to see if it goes up?

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #12 on: »
So shall I check on Monday (14th) to see if it goes up?
You can and take a screenshot too.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #13 on: »
On 14th & 15th October the fine remained at £65 (and the box saying it would go up to £195 on 14th Oct changed, so it now said it would go up to £195 "very soon")

Then on 16th October the fine increased to £130 (and the message in the box said "The amount outstanding on the PCN will increase to £195 very soon.  Please pay £130 now.") See here:


Now today (Oct 17th) the box says "The amount outstanding on the PCN will increase to £195 on 20th Nov. Please pay £130 now" See here:


Does this help my case?
Do I still sit tight and wait for the Notice to Owner?




Re: Lewisham, code 25 (loading), Wearside Road
« Reply #14 on: »
The dates show that the owner will receive a Notice to Owner very soon because it's been posted.

If you're the registered keeper then sit tight, it'll be plopping onto a mat near you soon.

Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA records?