Author Topic: PCN Lambeth - failing to complay with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles  (Read 1422 times)

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Hi,

Travelling North on A205 and turned left onto Carson Road in West Dulwich and didn't notice the low traffic neighbourd signage at the entrance to Carson Rd. The entrance to Carson Rd from the A205 is a T junction.  I have checked and there is no advance signage on the A205 from the direction I was travelling advising no access for motor vehicles to Carson Rd.  Is this sufficient grounds to appeal the PCN?

In addition, I would also argue that the two low traffic signs at the entrance to Carson Road are not clearly visible to oncoming traffic if travelling north on the A205.  The first sign faces directly out onto the A205 so is completely invisible to on coming traffic from the direction I was travelling.  The second sign which is tilted slightly towards oncoming traffic travelling north is partly obscured by the first sign.  As such it is also not clear.

Both signs are therefore only clear once you are actually turning into Carson Rd which is too late.

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Please post the rest of the PCN (there are often mistakes in the 'small print') and a GSV link to the location.

Please post a GSV street view of the location, but I suspect GSV is not sufficiently up-to-date here.

No advance sign gives you some leverage. Councils are under a duty under LATOR Regulation 18 to place adequate signage of a restriction. Trouble is there is no definition of 'adequate'.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18


The council are unlikely to give way, so you'd have to take them to London Tribunals for a result and risk the full PCN penalty. The council may well argue that as its a 20mph area, you should be easily able to see the signs and not turn into the street.Your photos indicate otherwise, of course.

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Thanks for the feedback. I've posted everything I have already and the GSV predates the signage so have decided on balance to cut my losses and pay.  Thanks again.  :'(

Thanks for the feedback. I've posted everything I have already and the GSV predates the signage so have decided on balance to cut my losses and pay.  Thanks again.  :'(

I still don't see the rest of the PCN? I suspect that with the help of @Hippocrates , you may have been able to cut your losses to zero. But it's your choice. Without the date of the PCN we are in the dark about deadlines.

@jon Please screenshot the website page re payment status and give us at least the date of the PCN and VRM and PCN number.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"