Author Topic: Leeds City Council code 27 Parked adjacent to a dropped footway, West Street, Morley, Leeds  (Read 753 times)

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Good afternoon,

Earlier this week I received the following PCN.

I'm struggling to see where the contravention even occurred especially given this particular lowered footway is not for providing vehicular access and no part of my car was near even the sloped part of the kerb let alone the dropped section itself?

Usually I would park on the opposite side of the road fully on the carriageway outside my flat but occasionally have to park here if there's no parking available, and park it as far forward as possible (hence it being close to the dropped footway) so it's in sight from my closest window as I've had two cars stolen from my road.

I parked it here when I got back late the other night and use the sloped footway to reverse onto that part of the road and assumed there was sufficient clearance; at the time I wasn't thinking about the parking warden's apparent pedantry!

I actually measured the height above the road of that part of the kerb over which the bumper was hanging and it was very marginal with regards to it being a 'dropped' kerb.

This morning I saw a car round here which had been in an accident parked (admittedly awkwardly), also with a PCN on the windscreen which I'm sure the owner will be doubly chuffed about, so the wardens round here are clearly very averse to the use of sensible discretion...

I will begrudgingly pay this if I'm in breach of any regulations (and naively hope it might go towards fixing some of the crater-like potholes around Leeds that almost constitute dropped kerbs themselves), but what does 'adjacent to a dropped footway' actually mean?

If there is any potential appeal case, what legislation should I refer to?

Google Street View: https://maps.app.goo.gl/qhsoAEJrg66LEWDF6 (notice the silver Corsa... one has to wonder why if it's such a problem no restriction lines have been painted...)













Many thanks in advance for all your help!  :)


Mike.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2024, 02:58:29 pm by mikejr »

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The PCN states the time period for making payment that was given under the revoked 2007 regs which is:

“the penalty charge must be paid not later than the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice was served.”

The current 2022 regs has different wording.
“the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred.”

In the case of Barnet Council v the Parking Adjudicator in the high court, the judge emphasised that the contravention date may not always be the same as the date the notice is served. The example he gave was where a contravention occurred shortly before midnight but the PCN is not served until after midnight.

Considering this, is not reasonable to argue that the PCN is invalid as it does not correctly state that the 28 day period for making payment begins with the date of the contravention? Sure in most cases the dates will be the same but the judge’s observation can be used to show that it may not always be the same and therefore it’s important the PCN follows the payment period set by regulations.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2024, 04:43:18 pm by Phantomcrusader »

It is a DK for pedestrians see

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.7416321,-1.5994492,3a,57.8y,303.55h,54.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shMZ2se5bhDAq1uyHyrZhEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu

and you were over the sloping kerb. But the sloping kerb does not count as many adjudicators have found and to me this is your argument

Thanks for the reply.

Sure - I acknowledge that this can be used by pedestrians also but fail to see how I was impeding on pedestrian/wheelchairs etc. ability to use the dropped kerb.

While you say I was over the sloped section I disagree - at best it's only very slightly over it. The photos make it difficult to see but I believe I was quite literally at the very end of the section of sloped kerb, and this warden is nit-picking.

Nevertheless how should I go about making my case for the adjudicator as you describe? Is there any case law?

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Nevertheless how should I go about making my case for the adjudicator as you describe? Is there any case law
Appealing to the adjudicators, (in your case the Traffic Penalty Tribunal), is the last stage of the enforcement process.  You can only appeal to them if you have had representations to the council refused. There are two stages of submitting representations to the council, (1) an informal challenge against the PCN and (2) formal representations against the Notice to Owner, this is sent to the vehicle owner when either no payment has been received for a PCN, or and informal challenge has been rejected, and no payment made.

We always recommend OPs (original posters) submit an informal challenge first. This gives time for investigations to be made concerning the alleged contravention.

As for "case law", the process is under the civil law, and there is no "case law" as made in a court of record, but each tribunal, (London has its own, BTW), must keep a Statutory Register, but each case turns on its own circumstances. An appellant can cite other cases similar to his own that have won, but it is not case law, therefore it can be ignored by an adjudicator. In addition, only the London Tribunals register can be searched, the one at TPT is not available for searching on-line.

Anyway, with the above out of the way, your case looks as it it should win at adjudication, because none of your car is over the dropped section, and only intruding into the sloped section by a few inches. The contravention is stated on the PCN - "parked adjacent to a dropped footway". The statute is "lowered to meet the level of the carriageway". Lots of councils argue blind that the sloping section is part of the dropped footway, but adjudications over the years show that adjudicators don't agree with them. However, as most people just cough-up when representations are rejected by councils, it is difficult to really determine how common this sort of thing is.

Anyway, best now for you to submit an informal challenge on something like the following lines: -

Dear Sirs

Re PCN <PCN Number> dated <dd/mm/yyyy) served at <hh.mm> at West Street

I deny responsibility for the PCN penalty above on the grounds that the contravention did not occur.

The photographs taken by your CEO show that the car is not intruding into the dropped section.

Please therefore cancel the PCN forthwith.

Yours faithfully

Post up their resp;onse when you get it. Don't be shocked if all you get is a Fob-Off letter of refusal. Councils ruthlessly game the system to maximise their income, and it works, because most peope then cough-up.
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Hi Incandescent,

Many thanks indeed for the above.

It is eye opening indeed! No wonder people train for years to get accustomed with all the idiosyncrasies of the legal system!

I have submitted the appeal using your wording.

I'm doubtful it will be that easy as you say but I'm more than happy to respond to pettiness with more pettiness!

I will let you know of the response.

Many thanks again for your time.

Best wishes,
Mike.

Update on the above: ticket cancelled! Although it was slightly ambiguous they seemed to agree it wasn't on a dropped kerb. Imagine if it was always that easy...

Thanks for the help again 🙂

Update on the above: ticket cancelled! Although it was slightly ambiguous they seemed to agree it wasn't on a dropped kerb. Imagine if it was always that easy...

Thanks for the help again 🙂
Very well done indeed ! It's very seldom we see a council give way on receipt of an informal challenge.

Well, if nothing else, it goes to show it is possible!

Thanks once again for your help. A small burden was lifted.  :)