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I received a PCN from LB Redbridge on 3rd March, for 53j- failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement).
This was a mistake on my part as I saw the notice ahead which was a blocked road but I did not see the sign on entry to Melbourne Road. It is quite high above and it is easy to miss. Regardless, I should have seen the signs but missed it on this occasion. The PCN was for £130, with 50% reduction to £65 within 14 days.

So I appealed on 7th March and it was rejected by email on 10th March. 11 March I was sent I received another notification to pay £195 (£130 + surcharge £65) within 14 days!

I just think the timing of the notification is an issue with me. I do not believe the appeal period was noted and but to send the final penalty charge less than 28 days (11 March 2025) is an issue for me.

Also indicated in the letter, it states ...you did not appeal to the adjudicator. I have checked the London Tribunal and it needs a verification code, which I have asked LB Redbridge by email, and it is being ignored. The auto reply, just gives you link to pay but there is no mention of adjudicator on either letter or email.

I am attaching the emails and PCN for your perusal and would appreciate any advice and comments.

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« Last Edit: April 01, 2025, 04:22:52 pm by Abiriah »

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Re: LB Redbridge PCN
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They are saying they didn't accept your email and told you to make representations via the website. Did you just do nothing?

There was confusion about 'warning notice'...

Edit - my pic didn't come out well.

Mr Chips may be onto something.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2025, 04:43:36 pm by stamfordman »
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I think Redbridge have messed up here.

PCN dated 3 March is deemed served on 5 March.  That means you have until 1 April (today) to submit representations.  By closing off the option to appeal, and increasing the charge to £195 they are in breach of the process.

Query to others - is it worth the OP emailing very brief representations through today for a belt and braces defence?
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Ah, there are two PCNs at least here.

This will take a bit of untangling.

The OP has posted a PCN dated 3 March for a contravention on 25 February

and a charge certificate dated 11 March for a contravention on 30 January
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Well spotted stamfordman.

OP - please confirm how many PCNs you have received?  You've attached one dated 3 March 2025 (in respect of a contravention on 25 February), but in the correspondence you shared with the council, you included a screenshot of the council PCN site showing a different PCN for a contravention on 30 January 2025 (with a different PCN number).

For the 3 March 2025 PCN, you should be able to challenge this on the grounds that Redbridge have removed your ability to submit representations too early.  Legally they are obliged to accept them until 23:59 tonight.  Instead their website no longer allows appeals (and the council's emails have told you to appeal this way) and the charge has increased already to £195.  That should be sufficient in my view for you to be able to win an appeal, but if the Charge Certificate has been issued you would need to wait for the Order for Recovery and tick the box which says you submitted representations but did not receive a Notice of Rejection.

Do others agree?  Would the email to the council on 7 March 2025 count as representations for this purpose?  Or would the OP be best served sending something this evening by email (as the portal has closed early) clearly marked as representations against this PCN?  The council have already replied to say they won't accept anything as it's too late, but given the OP sent a screenshot of an older PCN, they might argue they were referring to representations against that one.

OP - what's the status with the other PCN(s).  Are you looking for assistance with those too?

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In my view it doesn't make any difference that they didn't accept the reps by email as an in-time stat dec doesn't care and the email was sent in good faith. But it's a muddle.

OP - did you do anything when you got the other PCN (the one with the charge certificate) - did you get the PCN?

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OP - Redbridge have form with regards sending premature charge certificates.  If you can provide more details on the first PCN and also the charge certificate received, we can look into that.

Did you even realise you had more than one PCN?

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They are saying they didn't accept your email and told you to make representations via the website. Did you just do nothing?

There was confusion about 'warning notice'...

Edit - my pic didn't come out well.

Mr Chips may be onto something.
OP - Redbridge have form with regards sending premature charge certificates.  If you can provide more details on the first PCN and also the charge certificate received, we can look into that.

Did you even realise you had more than one PCN?
Thank you so much.
I only received the first dated 5th March, appealed on 7th by email, then received the rejection email on 10th. The final notice came in the post dated 11 March. There are the only 2 notices I received.

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Can you explain why the PCN number in your screenshot (included in your email correspondence with Redbridge) is different to the one in the PCN you received on 5 March?  Where did that screenshot come from?

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Hi - please can you send messages via the forum rather than email as it will get very confusing otherwise.  On the forum, you will have the benefit of others being able to chip in.

From what I can tell, you have (at least) 2 PCNs:

• AF30508050, date of contravention 30/01/2025, date of PCN 10/02/2025, date of Charge Certificate 11/03/2025 [Redbridge website says the status is “Final Reminder to Keeper” which suggests they’ve sent you a final communication to pay this, have you received anything in the post?]
• AF30601023, date of contravention 25/02/2025, date of PCN 03/03/2025, currently at Charge Certificate stage

Are you aware of this?  Your posts to date suggest you think all correspondence from Redbridge relates to the 3 March 2025 PCN.  Do you drive this route often - in which case could you have incurred other PCNs that you are not aware of?

Please provide the wording you used on your website appeal you referred to in your email to me, and the email you sent to Redbridge, together with the dates these were sent.

The process (for moving traffic offences such as yours) is as follows:

• You receive a PCN
• You have 28 days starting with the date of the PCN to pay the penalty (reduced by 50% if you pay within 14 days starting with the date of the PCN)
• Alternatively, you have 28 days starting with the date of service of the PCN (2 business days after the date of the PCN) to submit representations to Redbridge
• If you submit representations in time, Redbridge must consider these and either accept them (in which case the penalty is cancelled) or reject them
• If rejected, they send you a Notice of Rejection, which includes the code you need to take the case to London Tribunals for independent adjudication
• If you do not submit representations in time, they can send a Charge Certificate by which point it’s too late to submit representations and you must pay the penalty (which is increased by 50% at this stage).
• You are allowed to get the process reset back to PCN stage if you did not receive the original PCN, or submitted representations in time and did not receive a Notice of Rejection

In your case, for the second PCN it looks like Redbridge removed your ability to submit representations before the deadline, and sent out a Charge Certificate before this deadline too.  The dates for the first PCN also suggest the Charge Certificate was issued a day too soon.

For the earlier PCN, it sounds like you are saying you’ve never received this, in which case the final bullet from the process I listed could apply from the point you receive the next official notice from Redbridge which is the Order for Recovery.

Please can you post copies of all other documentation received – to date we only have one PCN and one Charge Certificate in respect of two different offences (and not the Notice or Rejection).

EDIT, apologies I didn't see the 11 March Charge Certificate was included with the PCN, wording updated to reflect this.
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Dear MrChips,
I have gone back and checked all the post and found another, which I am attaching.I honestly did not realise there were 2PCN's and so I did not make an appeal for the first one -AF30508050.
AF30601023 (5 March) and AF30508050 (10 February) but I have a feeling, both arrived at the same time in March (there is no proof). I would have noted the February PCN, which was for 30th January 2025. I have now received the final PCN for 30th Jan (AF30508050) is the 3rd PCN I have received in the post. Nothing else came in the post.

I am attaching both documents including enlarged photos. I am not sure I did myself any favours because I misunderstood the PCN as stating no entry in that zone. I did not see the specific times of entry and usage of road and so I missed the opportunity.

Please help.

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Thanks for coming back with the additional docs.  I suggest you edit your PCN to redact your name and address (but nothing else)

Going to need input from others I think.  OP is at Charge Certificate stage for both PCNs. Both Charge Certificates seem to have been issued prematurely but not served prematurely.  However, from Redbridge email correspondence it's clear that when they issue the Charge Certificates they stop accepting representations so they will have turned off ability to submit representations too soon also.  Can OP get the process reset and appeal on this basis?

In respect of first PCN, OP has only just learned about this but seems she did receive it so is there any way to get to appeal?

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Frankly, I can't see any winning argument about the first PCN; it was received, but the OP did nothing about it. It might be prudent, however, to put the facts in front of Sheila at bailiffadvice: -

www.bailifadvice.co.uk

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I'm sorry Sir, I really didn't receive the PCN any earlier, otherwise I would have appealed it.
I am fairly certain that there has been a problem with receipt of PCN and the dates involved but as mentioned I can't prove it. I always appeal on PCNs.
I have now received the final PCN AF30601023, which is dated, 3rd Mar  2025.
Your help and advice would be highly appreciated.

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If you have received new documents, please post them here.

If you GENUINELY believe you did not receive the original PCN for the first offence on time, that would open the door to getting the process reset via completing a statutory declaration.  However, if you knowingly submit this with false information, then there are harsh penalties (including prison).