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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
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Quote from: Hippocrates on November 28, 2024, 08:05:49 pm
Forget the 14 days as they will reoffer the discount. It really is very important to put in sound representations.

Please put up your own draft first.

My main issues:

1.  The sign is proscribed.

2.  Their website fetters discretion re the grounds not allowed.

3.  The representation page fetters to one ground only.

2 and 3 come under a collateral challenge.

Here is my draft representation. I don't have a lot to add other then what has been suggested here. Feel free everyone to make suggestions if you wish...

Dear Sir Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) number AF....... issued to myself for allegedly failing to comply with traffic restrictions on Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1. I believe that this charge has been unfairly issued and wish to present my case for your consideration.

Firstly the sign indicating the restriction against traffic is not of the 'hinged' type that should be only visible during School Term Time. This type of sign has not received authorisation as suitable signage to traffic outside of the School zone, from the Department of Transport, rending the PCN here null and void.

Secondly when attempting to make an online representation against this PCN, the website fetters discretion with regards to the grounds allowed. The LB Redbridge website indicates which grounds will not be considered here, and a public body should not adopt such a rigid policy that prevents it from exercising discretion in individual cases.

Finally the online representation page fetters to only one ground only for representation. Again this is unfair and does not allow for proper consideration of the possible grounds for a PCN to be contested.

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Kind regards



Should I include any photos? I don't think they will reveal anything much...
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #16 on: »
I would include the relevant screenshots and I am also considering HCA's point about the PCN. I have a case today but will get back in the evening to tweak.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #17 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 03, 2024, 10:39:47 am
I would include the relevant screenshots and I am also considering HCA's point about the PCN. I have a case today but will get back in the evening to tweak.

Hi @Hippocrates and all other valued contributors, I would welcome any tweaks you can think of to my draft representation?

Thanks again
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #18 on: »
Looks good to me as per my draft. Include the screenshots.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #19 on: »
I can’t see your draft @Hippocrates
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
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Quote from: WaltWhite on December 09, 2024, 10:30:00 pm
I can’t see your draft @Hippocrates

Anyone? I need to submit this by the 15th

Thanks again
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #21 on: »
Yours is fine. Sorry as been busy with cases and my internet was down for a day recently.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #22 on: »
So I've tried to challenge the PCN today, as per a post on here I thought the last date would be today the 15th?

When I went to challenge it online today (the 15th) it said I only had the option to pay it - which is now £195.

What are my options? Can I still challenge or do I just have to pay the £195 and thats it  >:(
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #23 on: »
Quote from: WaltWhite on December 15, 2024, 11:28:42 pm
So I've tried to challenge the PCN today, as per a post on here I thought the last date would be today the 15th?

When I went to challenge it online today (the 15th) it said I only had the option to pay it - which is now £195.

What are my options? Can I still challenge or do I just have to pay the £195 and thats it  >:(

Received today.....


« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:39:53 pm by cp8759 »
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #24 on: »
If Hippo is right the charge certificate has been served prematurely which gives you a win I think but I'm not very good at calculating this.

PCN date: 14 November

CC date: 13 December
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #25 on: »
The PCN says a CC may be served after 28 days from date of service.

"If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195 may be payable. We may send you a Charge Certificate seeking payment of this increased amount."

Have the council got their IT in a twizzle ? It is a stupid quirk of the LLA & TfL Act 2003 that the period for payment of the penalty is 28 days from date of notice, but date to submit reps is 28 days from date of service. You do have to wonder at the intellect of the drafters of the above Act. Just how stupid can you be !
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
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Quote from: Incandescent on December 16, 2024, 07:42:44 pm
The PCN says a CC may be served after 28 days from date of service.

"If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195 may be payable. We may send you a Charge Certificate seeking payment of this increased amount."

Have the council got their IT in a twizzle ? It is a stupid quirk of the LLA & TfL Act 2003 that the period for payment of the penalty is 28 days from date of notice, but date to submit reps is 28 days from date of service. You do have to wonder at the intellect of the drafters of the above Act. Just how stupid can you be !

Any help with next steps gratefully received....
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #27 on: »
DO NOT PAY THIS!

Dear Redbridge

I acknowledge receipt of the Charge Certificate pertaining to PCN..................VRM................

The date of the PCN is November 14th.  Therefore, the deemed date of service is November 18th. Clearly, you have prematurely issued a Charge Certificate. It follows that the earliest you may serve such a document is 15th December. I also note that this is par for the course as you have recently lost a case on the same issue.

Therefore, please cancel the Charge Certificate so that I may make formal representations to which I am entitled according to the statutory process.

This is not a matter for discretion - rather a matter of statutory compliance.

Yours

**

Send it to their e mail address and mark it urgent. AND put in your representations too.

parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk
« Last Edit: December 17, 2024, 07:42:08 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #28 on: »

Quote from: Hippocrates on December 17, 2024, 07:39:16 pm
DO NOT PAY THIS!

Dear Redbridge

I acknowledge receipt of the Charge Certificate pertaining to PCN..................VRM................

The date of the PCN is November 14th.  Therefore, the deemed date of service is November 18th. Clearly, you have prematurely issued a Charge Certificate. It follows that the earliest you may serve such a document is 15th December. I also note that this is par for the course as you have recently lost a case on the same issue.

Therefore, please cancel the Charge Certificate so that I may make formal representations to which I am entitled according to the statutory process.

This is not a matter for discretion - rather a matter of statutory compliance.

Yours

**

Send it to their e mail address and mark it urgent. AND put in your representations too.

parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk


Thank you @Hippocrates and all replies
Would you include the representations with the email you have outlined very helpfully in the previous message. Or do I wait for LB Redbridge to open this option back up on the online portal?
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
« Reply #29 on: »
Send it and do not wait. I would make a formal complaint too.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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