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Hi all,

Any thoughts on this one, I just didn't see the signs, had things going on that day and I'm not familiar with this area at this time of day....I know it from years ago when there wasn't these restrictions in place. Not trying to make excuses but wondered if there were any grounds to make representations.




Google Street View is two years out of date....

I can get photos if that is helpful at some point but I think the camera footage on Redbridge website is pretty clear too.

Thanks in advance for any replies
« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:38:21 pm by cp8759 »

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Signage looks clear and you approached head on.

Would need to be a technical issue say with PCN to challenge this.

« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:38:29 pm by cp8759 »

Signage looks clear and you approached head on.

Would need to be a technical issue say with PCN to challenge this.



Yes thought so.
From a previous post I thought someone mentioned that LB Redbridge might have made a mistake on making representations - that online it was restricted to one representation only, and this might be grounds for an appeal if representations were turned down initially?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:38:39 pm by cp8759 »

The plate re term time is proscribed.

Also, please screenshot the pages you have to jump through to make a representation etc and get back. Do not make a representation yet please.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_ea7Dwibaj2KJR2WhZdV3it0D7q9jt0/view

Finally, this lot are trigger happy so  I would wat until the last minute within the statutory time to do so.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2024, 07:19:50 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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The plate re term time is proscribed.

Also, please screenshot the pages you have to jump through to make a representation etc and get back. Do not make a representation yet please.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_ea7Dwibaj2KJR2WhZdV3it0D7q9jt0/view

Finally, this lot are trigger happy so  I would wat until the last minute within the statutory time to do so.



This is the second to last page for submitting representations. The next one is evidence I presume. I have screenshotted the other pages prior to this but there is about 20 screenshots maybe too much info.
It does show you have to read their explanations why they reject some example representations. Quite onorous and challenging for some people I would imagine (also screen shotted if helpful to post on here)
« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:38:47 pm by cp8759 »

The plate re term time is proscribed.

Also, please screenshot the pages you have to jump through to make a representation etc and get back. Do not make a representation yet please.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_ea7Dwibaj2KJR2WhZdV3it0D7q9jt0/view

Finally, this lot are trigger happy so  I would wat until the last minute within the statutory time to do so.

Thanks for the reply. It doesnt appear to be the hinged variety as discussed in the successful appeal you have added. I think this is an example of what they are referring to:



However the successful appeal was with LB Merton not LB Redbridge maybe they have different authorised DfT signage?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:38:58 pm by cp8759 »

These school street signs should be hidden out of enforcement periods.

But I'm not sure this set-up has legs. The term time plates here are not regulatory I think and also it's obvious from the video that the school is in session.

These school street signs should be hidden out of enforcement periods.

But I'm not sure this set-up has legs. The term time plates here are not regulatory I think and also it's obvious from the video that the school is in session.

I didnt realise the school was in session till I reached the speed bump after the signs. Not sure that matters though

Hi

The 14 days are up today so I will put in a representation.

Would something to do with the signage be the way forward here, or is there anything else you might suggest?

Any help with wording would be appreciated

Thanks again

14 days isn't relevant as regards reps, it only affects the discount.

The PCN does not say that unsuccessful reps made no later than the 14-day period would secure the discount for a further 14 days.

Talking of reps, Hippocrates might care to consider weaving this into any appeal or reps:

(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—

(a)state—

.....
(viii)that the person on whom the notice is served may be entitled to make representations under paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to this Act;

IMO, this PCN does not and omits vital information. Instead, it invites the recipient to join up dots and reach a conclusion which is improper: it should be absolutely clear.

Schedule 1 to the Act:
Representations against penalty charge notice
1(1)Where it appears to a person on whom a penalty charge notice has been served under section 4 (Penalty charges for road traffic contraventions) of this Act (in this Schedule referred to as “the recipient”) that one or other of the grounds mentioned in sub-paragraph (4) below is satisfied, he may make representations to that effect to the enforcing authority.

....
(3)The enforcing authority may disregard any such representations which are received by them after the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice in question was served.


(3) is not in the PCN. Instead they invite the recipient to join up these dots:

From the PCN:
.....
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

(vi)the amount of the increased charge;


Which means what?

That the recipient cannot make reps after the 28-day period as if issuing a CC draws a line under matters? If so, it is non-compliant.

A recipient MUST BE TOLD that they may make reps at any time, but that if made after the 28-day period these MAY be disregarded.

For regular posters, IMO this is a safety net equivalent to an OOT SD or late appeal to the adjudicator i.e reasons for lateness.
There might be 1000 reasons why reps are made late and which, when the reason is presented to the authority, obliges them, by virtue of their public law duty, to act fairly and consider. This doesn't bear upon the substance of reps, but simply the reasons for lateness.

This PCN doesn't convey this info...other than possibly to those steeped in road traffic law(or, in the case of this council, folklore) because it's what we know it's supposed to say and only join up dots leading to this end.

Hi

The 14 days are up today so I will put in a representation.

Would something to do with the signage be the way forward here, or is there anything else you might suggest?

Any help with wording would be appreciated

Thanks again

Please hold fire. Please screenshot the page with the grounds NOT allowed.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Hi

The 14 days are up today so I will put in a representation.

Would something to do with the signage be the way forward here, or is there anything else you might suggest?

Any help with wording would be appreciated

Thanks again

Please hold fire. Please screenshot the page with the grounds NOT allowed.






« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:39:21 pm by cp8759 »

14 days isn't relevant as regards reps, it only affects the discount.

The PCN does not say that unsuccessful reps made no later than the 14-day period would secure the discount for a further 14 days.

Talking of reps, Hippocrates might care to consider weaving this into any appeal or reps:

(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—

(a)state—

.....
(viii)that the person on whom the notice is served may be entitled to make representations under paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to this Act;

IMO, this PCN does not and omits vital information. Instead, it invites the recipient to join up dots and reach a conclusion which is improper: it should be absolutely clear.

Schedule 1 to the Act:
Representations against penalty charge notice
1(1)Where it appears to a person on whom a penalty charge notice has been served under section 4 (Penalty charges for road traffic contraventions) of this Act (in this Schedule referred to as “the recipient”) that one or other of the grounds mentioned in sub-paragraph (4) below is satisfied, he may make representations to that effect to the enforcing authority.

....
(3)The enforcing authority may disregard any such representations which are received by them after the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice in question was served.


(3) is not in the PCN. Instead they invite the recipient to join up these dots:

From the PCN:
.....
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

(vi)the amount of the increased charge;


Which means what?

That the recipient cannot make reps after the 28-day period as if issuing a CC draws a line under matters? If so, it is non-compliant.

A recipient MUST BE TOLD that they may make reps at any time, but that if made after the 28-day period these MAY be disregarded.

For regular posters, IMO this is a safety net equivalent to an OOT SD or late appeal to the adjudicator i.e reasons for lateness.
There might be 1000 reasons why reps are made late and which, when the reason is presented to the authority, obliges them, by virtue of their public law duty, to act fairly and consider. This doesn't bear upon the substance of reps, but simply the reasons for lateness.

This PCN doesn't convey this info...other than possibly to those steeped in road traffic law(or, in the case of this council, folklore) because it's what we know it's supposed to say and only join up dots leading to this end.

Does it not say here online that it would secure the discount if representation made within 14 days?

« Last Edit: January 14, 2026, 10:39:35 pm by cp8759 »

Forget the 14 days as they will reoffer the discount. It really is very important to put in sound representations.

Please put up your own draft first.

My main issues:

1.  The sign is proscribed.

2.  Their website fetters discretion re the grounds not allowed.

3.  The representation page fetters to one ground only.

2 and 3 come under a collateral challenge.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2024, 09:06:55 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Hi

The 14 days are up today so I will put in a representation.

Thanks again

Please hold fire. Please screenshot the page with the grounds NOT allowed.

No they are not. The deemed date of service is the 18th November. Also, you have until 15th December to make representations.

Forget about the 14 days unless you want to pay it. That is December 1st - not today. You count NOT the weekend, just two working days.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2024, 09:14:53 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r