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I was dropping my daughter off to Flip Out on a Sunday and was parked there a couple of mins. When I parked, I saw there were some of those small yellow notches (sorry, not sure what they are called) but I was parked where it was just a single yellow line and none of those notches.

I appealed it on the grounds of no visible signs through the route I took and that thge PCN carries a premium rate telephone number that includes a service charge. In accordance with Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council.

They refused to cancel and mentioned:

The signs governing single yellow lines are not always nearby. Inside a
Controlled Zone, the information may be on Controlled Zone signs instead.
Controlled Zone signs are like border-crossing signs: you will have passed one
as you entered the zone. The restriction applies during the times shown on the
sign.

They also made no mention of the premium rate number point I raised.

Is it worth going to tribunal with this or should I just cut my losses and pay?

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Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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Assisted alighting is an exemption to waiting on a yellow line. How old is daughter and what were your movements to venue and time taken? 

Post the PCN, no redactions, and their rejection.

Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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She is 7. I parked and exited the car with her and walked her over across the road to the Flip Out venue and had to stay with her until one of the adults running the Beavers group arrived. As soon as they came and she went in, I came back to the car. Took a max of 10 mins, more like 5-7mins.I have attached both documents

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Not sure if it is relevant but I just noticed they got the make of my car wrong

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Not sure if it is relevant but I just noticed they got the make of my car wrong
Not relevant at all, I'm afraid. Stick with the board/alight exemption.

Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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If you just say you were in and out after dropping off and took no longer than necessary then you have a good case as there is zero observation time on the PCN and the last pic is only at the next minute mark. The key is not to tell an untruth as you have said you waited for people to turn up.
But this will have to be done at formal stage when the NTO is sent to the registered keeper.
I presume you didn't claim the assisted alighting exemption in your challenge - have you got the challenge?

Post the back of the PCN. 




Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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Are you the registered keeper and are your DVLA details current?

The objective evidence is that the CEO saw an unattended car, observed for no more than 1 minute and issued a PCN within that time. IMO, this could not be in accordance with a properly considered council policy because if for no other reason the exemption of assisted alighting means that a driver could be away from the vehicle.

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I have attached the challenge and the back of the PCN. I only alluded to dropping my child off as I wasn’t aware of any such exemption TBH.

Yes, I am the registered keeper and all DVLA details are up to date.

Yes, I only hanged around long enough to ensure she was safe. And was straight back in the car after that. I had no other business there.

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Is it worth going to tribunal with this...

You're not at this point yet.

Next step is NTO to you no earlier than early Jan.


Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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Hey everyone,

It just crossed my mind that I still haven’t received an NTO. My understanding is it should have been sent within 28 days. Worried I will get issues due to this. What is the best thing to do now? Contact them advising them that it hasn’t arrived?

Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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Hey everyone,

It just crossed my mind that I still haven’t received an NTO. My understanding is it should have been sent within 28 days. Worried I will get issues due to this. What is the best thing to do now? Contact them advising them that it hasn’t arrived?
Councils can be very tardy in serving the NtO, but there is a legal limit of 6 months. If they serve beyond 3 months, you can claim unfairness at London Tribunals as part of your reps. Councils are under a duty to act fairly and expeditiously when enforcing penal powers granted by Parliament.

Re: Croydon PCN (01) parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
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Hey everyone,

It just crossed my mind that I still haven’t received an NTO. My understanding is it should have been sent within 28 days. Worried I will get issues due to this. What is the best thing to do now? Contact them advising them that it hasn’t arrived?

No need to worry:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bensham-lane-croydon/msg46690/#msg46690

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y9rwLAvWlIFvVUvDHqj6vMuNiGgVOe3d/view

I am happy to represent you if and when the time comes.  ;D

Meanwhile, please screenshot what their website says, report back and do nothing else except note the bottom of my signature!
« Last Edit: February 06, 2025, 04:15:01 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

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