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Re: LB Havering - Code 62c Parked 1 or more wheels on a footpath - Granger Way
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Thanks for all the replies so far.

It's interesting that they've withdrawn the 50% discount, and I think I do agree with H C Anderson that they may well be able to without invalidating the PCN, however I strongly believe that by stating that ""We cannot accept verbal challenges in person or on the telephone." they are acting contrary to the Equality Act 2010 and as such I believe that will make any PCN on which they state this unlawful.

This isn't the only defence against the PCN (which is actually for a neighbour of mine which is why I can't post all the details - they are not mine to post.) I am 100% certain of the other grounds of the challenge against the PCN but having seen this new wording I wanted particular advice on that.

As anyone who was on Pepipoo may remember I had a regular and particular problem with Havering attaching PCN's to my car when the car was parked entirely legally.  I have won EVERY challenge, representation and tribunal hearing that I have undertaken on this issue and it seemed in the last 18 months as if Havering had finally realised that they had no reason to issue these PCN's.  All I can assume is that there is a new Enforcement Officer who is unaware that our private car park is, in fact, a private car park and thus issued a PCN to my neighbour. 

I shall, of course, keep this site updated with their response.

Once again, many thanks to all.
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Re: LB Havering - Code 62c Parked 1 or more wheels on a footpath - Granger Way
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I really cannot be bothered with this thread anymore.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: LB Havering - Code 62c Parked 1 or more wheels on a footpath - Granger Way
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So not bothered that you replied to tell us how unbothered you were.  Thanks for that, it's a shame you aren't bothered because IF the wording on this ticket is contrary to the Equality Act 2010 and IF that does, by itself, make this ticket unlawful, then it will mean that every LB Havering ticket issued with that wording will be unenforceable.  I'd have thought that will be of great use to the members of this forum, which is why I started this whole thread, but don't let it bother you.
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Don't mind Hippocrates - he's temporarily mislaid his oath.
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Re: LB Havering - Code 62c Parked 1 or more wheels on a footpath - Granger Way
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Well, if I want to avail myself of sarcasm, I'll talk to my grandchildren.

I do not need lessons in how to complain to councils, government or win cases.

If people want to hide behind their keyboards, I would rather resolve issues face to face. We can meet at Furnival Street. I'll let you know when I am next there. 23rd, 30th, 8th, 14th etc.

I'll wear my Third Musketeer costume.  ;D The administrative staff's nickname, not mine.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: LB Havering - Code 62c Parked 1 or more wheels on a footpath - Granger Way
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Please quote the Penalty Charge Notice number, the vehicle registration and your address details in all written correspondence. We cannot accept verbal challenges in person or on the telephone.

Any challenge made is against the full charge and the 14 day discount will not be offered."


The second part has been dealt with.

As regards not accepting verbal challenges AKA all challenges must be in writing, IMO it's a no-hoper. Considering challenges is a legal process.

In addition, 'Under general principles of public law, authorities have a duty to act fairly and proportionately and are encouraged to exercise discretion sensibly and reasonably and with due regard to the public interest. Failure to act in accordance with the general principles of public law may lead to a claim for a decision to be judicially reviewed.' IMO, an authority cannot discharge this duty without the arguments being in writing.

But the OP's neighbour can try, but IMO no-one would get to this point given that we're told that the location is not part of a road or off-street parking place designated by the council and therefore does not fall within Schedule 7 to the TMA.


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