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Good morning,

I've received a PCN for contravention code 53J for turning left into Crownhill Road and I have already been turned down on the initial appeal, this is a similar situation as this post https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriciton-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestr/,

My appeal is based on inadequate signage, there is one sign on the approach (on Manor Park Road), which is around 250 ft before you get to the turning for Crownhill Rd, on the entrance to Crownhill Road there are usual a sign on each side, however these are placed parallel to the carriageway, meaning you can not clearly view these until you are on the junction (not approaching the junction). The one sign the driver should clearly see on Manor Park Road is completely inadequate. The question is why would a driver not see the sole sign? There are numerous vehicles parked up by this sign and if the vehicle is a van or lorry the sign would be obstructed. Why is there not more signs to ensure this unfair situation doesn't occur? There has been no effort to make the signage adequate. Additionally when revisiting the scene to take some photos the one sign on Manor Park Road is tilted at an angle away from the traffic. The response to my appeal was that there are various advanced signs on adjoining roads (There is one tilted sign prone to being obscured from vision).

So when Brent rejected my appeal they have also made a mistake, they say the vehicle was observed on xxxxx at 08.09 hours in Crownhill Road failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone. However, motorists are not permitted to enter the pedestrian and cyclist zone, in this section of Crownhill Road between 08.15am to 09.15am. OK so if the vehicle entered at 08.09 then according to this there should be no PCN. Is this something I can use in my appeal to the adjudicator? Note the road signage does display the correct restriction times 07.45 to 09.15 it's just Brent Council aren't stating the correct facts.
The CCTV also shows children trying to cross the junction of Crownhill whilst the car is turning into Crownhill, the driver is looking at the children not reading a sign that is positioned badly, noticed after the initial appeal. 

Would it be worth pursuing this considering they don't even state the correct facts when responding to my appeal?

Original PCN
https://ibb.co/chMD61KV

Appeal
https://ibb.co/NgYMZY3X

Rejection of Appeal
https://ibb.co/LhkGrTk2

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Good morning,

I've received a PCN for contravention code 53J for turning left into Crownhill Road and I have already been turned down on the initial appeal, this is a similar situation as this post https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriciton-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestr/,

My appeal is based on inadequate signage, there is one sign on the approach (on Manor Park Road), which is around 250 ft before you get to the turning for Crownhill Rd, on the entrance to Crownhill Road there are usual a sign on each side, however these are placed parallel to the carriageway, meaning you can not clearly view these until you are on the junction (not approaching the junction). The one sign the driver should clearly see on Manor Park Road is completely inadequate. The question is why would a driver not see the sole sign? There are numerous vehicles parked up by this sign and if the vehicle is a van or lorry the sign would be obstructed. Why is there not more signs to ensure this unfair situation doesn't occur? There has been no effort to make the signage adequate. Additionally when revisiting the scene to take some photos the one sign on Manor Park Road is tilted at an angle away from the traffic. The response to my appeal was that there are various advanced signs on adjoining roads (There is one tilted sign prone to being obscured from vision).

So when Brent rejected my appeal they have also made a mistake, they say the vehicle was observed on xxxxx at 08.09 hours in Crownhill Road failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone. However, motorists are not permitted to enter the pedestrian and cyclist zone, in this section of Crownhill Road between 08.15am to 09.15am. OK so if the vehicle entered at 08.09 then according to this there should be no PCN. Is this something I can use in my appeal to the adjudicator? Note the road signage does display the correct restriction times 07.45 to 09.15 it's just Brent Council aren't stating the correct facts.
The CCTV also shows children trying to cross the junction of Crownhill whilst the car is turning into Crownhill, the driver is looking at the children not reading a sign that is positioned badly, noticed after the initial appeal. 

Would it be worth pursuing this considering they don't even state the correct facts when responding to my appeal?

Original PCN
https://ibb.co/chMD61KV

Appeal
https://ibb.co/NgYMZY3X

Rejection of Appeal
https://ibb.co/LhkGrTk2
Any advice on the error made on the PCN by Brent Council would be appreciated (stating the wrong time frames on the restriction) I'm weighing up sending an appeal to the adjudicator and if this will help swing things my way? I have no idea but any advice would helpful as I'm heading towards decision time. 

We've seen this location before last year, I think, but I don't know what the outturn was, I'm afraid. You could do a search on the London Tribunals Statutory Register using the location on the PCN

Is this the advance sign for the restriction ?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oND2Wd3VxakL2Mjt9
A different sign was in place in 2022
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWX4KtKS5BSVKUro9
It's folded in the GSV view, so I assume it is school holidays.
And here are the signs at entry; absurdly placed, and can only really be seen properly by a motorist on Crownhill Road.

I would be strongly tempted to take them to London Tribunals, and risk the full PCN penalty, assuming the signs are still there which GSV shows.

We've seen this location before last year, I think, but I don't know what the outturn was, I'm afraid. You could do a search on the London Tribunals Statutory Register using the location on the PCN

Is this the advance sign for the restriction ?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oND2Wd3VxakL2Mjt9
A different sign was in place in 2022
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWX4KtKS5BSVKUro9
It's folded in the GSV view, so I assume it is school holidays.
And here are the signs at entry; absurdly placed, and can only really be seen properly by a motorist on Crownhill Road.

I would be strongly tempted to take them to London Tribunals, and risk the full PCN penalty, assuming the signs are still there which GSV shows.

Thank you very much for your response.  Yes it's the folding sign on the approach which is covered in school holidays and just the two at the entrance which you turn left into. I've attached some of the photos I took which shows the folding sign actually tilted away from the road, Brent sent me photos from May before the PCN was issued with a straight sign.  (new links below).

What do you think about the incorrect time restriction mentioned by Brent Council on the appeal rejection, when they say the vehicle enters at Crownhill Road between 08.15am to 09.15am. OK so if the vehicle entered at 08.09 then according to this there should be no PCN. Is this something I can use in my appeal to the adjudicator?

I have checked the LT register but thus far nothing could be found, I'll try again later and change my search parameters.

https://ibb.co/Xk3tkG9c
https://ibb.co/XkWcDtbg
https://ibb.co/PzMjP1NW

The PCN appears to have disappeared 'That page does not exist'

The PCN appears to have disappeared 'That page does not exist'


I've just uploaded again, here's a new link.  Hopefully this will do the trick

https://ibb.co/pvxZJ5tk

Thanks.

I think your argument is askew.

The PCN states 8.09, therefore it would follow that the NOR would. Where the NOR makes an error is, apparently, misquoting the start of the prohibited period i.e. 8.15. The picture of the advance warning sign says 7.45am.

What's the time on the Pedestrian and Cycle zone sign, I can't make this out?

The PCN alleges that you entered a Pedestrian zone.

A PZ is not a P&C zone. A PZ prohibits ALL vehicles and must carry the wording 'No vehicles'. Does this one, or is it a P&C zone, in which case the contravention description should add the words 'and cycle', see descriptions an Additional Notes here: https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-03/Penalty%20Charge%20Notices%20Contravention%20Code%20List%202025%20%28Webpage%20Version%29%20%281%29.pdf

And it's probably neither because the area does not meet the requirements of a 'pedestrian zone' here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1
« Last Edit: October 08, 2025, 08:18:57 pm by H C Andersen »

Thanks.

I think your argument is askew.

The PCN states 8.09, therefore it would follow that the NOR would. Where the NOR makes an error is, apparently, misquoting the start of the prohibited period i.e. 8.15. The picture of the advance warning sign says 7.45am.

What's the time on the Pedestrian and Cycle zone sign, I can't make this out?

The PCN alleges that you entered a Pedestrian zone.

A PZ is not a P&Z zone. A PZ prohibits ALL vehicles and must carry the wording 'No vehicles'. Does this one, or is it a P&C zone, in which case the contravention description should add the words 'and cycle', see descriptions an Additional Notes here: https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-03/Penalty%20Charge%20Notices%20Contravention%20Code%20List%202025%20%28Webpage%20Version%29%20%281%29.pdf

And it's probably neither because the area does not meet the requirements of a 'pedestrian zone' here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1

Yes it's definitely askew, Brent have changed the restriction times on the signs (these are correct and mean the driver did indeed enter the zone during the restriction) but Brent are writing and referring to the old time restriction and contradicting themselves. It's worth bringing up as there's a lack of attention in their facts. Thank you for the extra pointers, these are great and of much help. I just have to appeal this again even if it costs me, I'll be back with the results : )




Come back with a draft pl.

Contravention did not occur

1. It isn't a 'pedestrian zone' as defined, it's simply a road into which restrictions apply as regards vehicles. There is no evidence of the following:

That the area has been 'laid out to improve the amenity for pedestrians and cyclists'.

2. In any event, the signage refers to P&C zone which cannot give rise to the contravention description given in the PCN which refers to a 'pedestrian zone' which would require the display of a different entry sign, namely that prescribed at item 1 of the Part 2 sign table ofSchedule 8 to the the Traffic Signs etc. regulations and not as here item 2. The mandated contravention description is 'Pedestrian and Cycle zone'.

« Last Edit: October 09, 2025, 08:39:29 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

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Come back with a draft pl.

Contravention did not occur

1. It isn't a 'pedestrian zone' as defined, it's simply a road into which restrictions apply as regards vehicles. There is no evidence of the following:

That the area has been 'laid out to improve the amenity for pedestrians and cyclists'.

2. In any event, the signage refers to P&C zone which cannot give rise to the contravention description given in the PCN which refers to a 'pedestrian zone' which would require the display of a different entry sign, namely that prescribed at item 1 of the Part 2 sign table ofSchedule 8 to the the Traffic Signs etc. regulations and not as here item 2. The mandated contravention description is 'Pedestrian and Cycle zone'.

Thank you for all the help I have drafted this for London Tribunals which includes yours and Hippocrates arguments.


Formal Appeal Against Penalty Charge Notice BTxxxxxx

Dear Adjudicator,

I am appealing against the above Penalty Charge Notice on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur and that there have been procedural improprieties in the enforcement process. My detailed submissions are set out below.

1. The Alleged Contravention Did Not Occur – Inadequate and Non-Compliant Signage

The signage on Manor Park Road approaching Crownhill Road is inadequate to convey the restriction clearly and lawfully.

Although the Enforcement Authority asserts that the signs are “clearly placed,” the following issues demonstrate that this is not the case:

There is only one advance sign on Manor Park Road before the left turn into Crownhill Road. This sign is frequently obscured by buses, large vehicles, or parked cars, rendering it ineffective.

The sign is angled towards adjoining houses rather than facing oncoming traffic. Photographs provided with my initial representations demonstrate this.

The Council’s rejection relies on photographs dated May 2025, whereas the alleged contravention occurred in June 2025. This raises concern as to whether the signage at the relevant time was as the Council describes.

The two entry signs positioned on either side of Crownhill Road face away from the direction of approach from Manor Park Road. They are not visible to drivers turning left and therefore do not comply with the requirement that signs must be placed so as to be “clearly visible to traffic for which they are intended” (Regulation 18, The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996).

On this basis, the signage fails to provide adequate information about the restriction, and the contravention cannot be said to have occurred.

2. Incorrect Contravention Description and Non-Correspondence with Signage

The contravention cited on the PCN is for entry into a “Pedestrian Zone.” However:

a) The area in question is not a “pedestrian zone” within the meaning of the relevant regulations. It is a standard road to which vehicle restrictions apply. There is no evidence that the area has been “laid out to improve the amenity for pedestrians and cyclists.”

b) The signage on site refers to a “Pedestrian and Cycle Zone (P&C Zone)”. The prescribed signs for this restriction are those set out in Item 2 of Part 2, Schedule 8 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD). A “Pedestrian Zone,” by contrast, requires the sign prescribed at Item 1 of the same schedule.

The PCN therefore describes a contravention that does not correspond with the restriction indicated by the signage. The misdescription renders the PCN unenforceable.

3. Procedural Impropriety – Defective Wording of the PCN

The wording of the PCN fails to comply with Section 4(8)(v) of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, which requires that a PCN must state:

“that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28-day period, an increased charge may be payable.”

The PCN instead states:

“If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice, an increased charge of £240 may be payable.”

This wording conflates the two distinct statutory periods — the 28-day period for payment and the 28-day period for making representations — using the conjunction “or.” This introduces ambiguity and fails to convey the mandatory information required by law. As such, the PCN is non-compliant and invalid.

4. Inconsistency in the Notice of Rejection

The Notice of Rejection issued by the Council states that the vehicle entered the zone at 08:09, while the restriction applies between 08:15 and 09:15. Based on the Council’s own statement, no contravention occurred.

This inconsistency indicates a lack of due care and calls into question the reliability of the evidence relied upon by the Enforcement Authority.

5. Conclusion

For the reasons set out above, I respectfully submit that:

The signage was inadequate and non-compliant;

The contravention description does not correspond with the restriction in place;

The PCN itself is procedurally defective; and

The Council’s own evidence contradicts the alleged time of contravention.

Accordingly, I invite the Adjudicator to allow this appeal and direct that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

Thank you for your consideration.

Yours faithfully,

Fine, in the main.

For me, There is only one advance sign on Manor Park Road before the left turn into Crownhill Road. This sign is frequently obscured by buses, large vehicles, or parked cars, rendering it ineffective.

How would you know unless you know it's there and travel the road frequently. Do you want to give the adjudicator this impression?

The Council’s rejection relies on photographs dated May 2025, whereas the alleged contravention occurred in June 2025. This raises concern as to whether the signage at the relevant time was as the Council describes.

For me, this is a petty point which does nothing to support your main arguments.

Fine, in the main.

For me, There is only one advance sign on Manor Park Road before the left turn into Crownhill Road. This sign is frequently obscured by buses, large vehicles, or parked cars, rendering it ineffective.

How would you know unless you know it's there and travel the road frequently. Do you want to give the adjudicator this impression?

The Council’s rejection relies on photographs dated May 2025, whereas the alleged contravention occurred in June 2025. This raises concern as to whether the signage at the relevant time was as the Council describes.

For me, this is a petty point which does nothing to support your main arguments.

Agreed, I'll tweak it as per your recommendations, thank you very much for the feedback I really appreciate your help.

Procedural impropriety needs to be redacted and "collateral challenge" used instead.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Procedural impropriety needs to be redacted and "collateral challenge" used instead.

Thank you I have changed this now, looks like it's ready to go. I'll be back later with the outcome