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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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@marie at this stage all of that is irrelevant, and none of this should be mentioned on form PE3, which should be filled in based on the  instructions in the guide I posted above. Once the TEC angle has been dealt with, we can look at the merits of the PCN, but at the moment the merits of the PCN are irrelevant.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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@marie Just relax please. We will deal with this for you all in due course. 8)
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Thank you so much for all your help.
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I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Hi, @cp8759

It was impossible to get any appointment at the county court the form signing as no one answers the appointment line to make appointment. without an appointment, cannot go into the court desk.

I have found a Barrister of a court through friends contact and emailed the PE3 form to The Traffic Enforcement Centre.

I have received a letter from the Traffic Enforcement Centre 
Ordering to cancel 
* Notice for Recovery
* Charge Certificate



It mentions the original Penalty Charge Notice is NOT Cancelled.
The council's website has not been updated and it is still at £205

Please guide me to the next step.

Marie
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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The court order was issued 25th April and the Council would have had it electronically so really they should have reset the amount payable to £130 by now. Probably sloppy admin.

Please confirm the box ticked on the SD form was non receipt of a Notice of Rejection? I assume so. Should they wish to continue enforcement then they will have to refer the matter to the Adjudicator for direction on how to proceed.

You should hear something from the London Tribunals as it seems that there never has been a proper Notice of Rejection for the Council to re-issue / re-serve. Likely they will hear the matter as an appeal and you will be invited to submit your evidence.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2025, 07:26:09 pm by Enceladus »
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Thanks @Enceladus for your swift reply.

Seems everything is taking longer than mentioned at each of the stages

I assume I need to wait for another post / any update on the website.

Will the fee be stated at £130?
I do not wish to pay £130 as it would have been at £65...
I contacted them the next day I received the PCN!
and after all this confusing stuff whilst having to deal with post concussion brain issue...

I went into the street many times and never noticed the sigh until I received the PCN as the sign is not facing to the direction I was approaching from.



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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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This is a London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 PCN. As such they are under no obligation to re-offer the discount even for a prompt challenge. Although they may well do so.

The letter you previously received is defective and not a proper Notice of Rejection as there are no instructions and credentials to submit an appeal to the Adjudicator.

The Adjudicator is likely to take a dim view of the failure to issue a proper Notice of Rejection in a reasonable time frame. So I would hope you will win on that basis, never mind any other issues.

Report back when something happens.
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@marie I would suggest you keep an eye on the council website at least once a week for any changes. The council will either write to you, or refer the case directly to the tribunal.

Strictly speaking it's much better for you if they don't do anything, because if they take too long to refer the case to the tribunal, the tribunal will simply reject the referral as having been made too late and the PCN will be cancelled without you having to do anything else.

I wouldn't bother worrying about the £65 discounted amount, the objective here should be to get the PCN cancelled in its entirety.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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The ball is in the council's court, you just have to be patient and vigilant as advised.

There isn't a £65 option. As per cp, it's all (£130) or nothing.   

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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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The council website says:

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The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice Will be passed to an Enforcement Agent for collection.
Enforcement Agents charge fees on top of this debt which must be paid very soon.

Please pay £205.00 now.

You have already challenged this PCN and we replied on Wed, 26 Feb 2025. You cannot challenge twice


Current status.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2025, 12:31:57 pm by cp8759 »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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So it is Statutory Declaration time, assuming the period for submitting has not expired.
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Marie.
Please ignore the last two posts, i.e. from Hippocrates and Incandescent.

They obviously haven't followed your case and realised the current position.
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Quote from: Neil B on May 10, 2025, 11:03:23 pm
Marie.
Please ignore the last two posts, i.e. from Hippocrates and Incandescent.

They obviously haven't followed your case and realised the current position.
I simply cited the current status on the website and I refer to the OP's last post above.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter
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Quote from: Hippocrates on May 11, 2025, 09:40:01 am
Quote from: Neil B on May 10, 2025, 11:03:23 pm
Marie.
Please ignore the last two posts, i.e. from Hippocrates and Incandescent.

They obviously haven't followed your case and realised the current position.
I simply cited the current status on the website and I refer to the OP's last post above.
Me too.  Sorry if I got it wrong. Hopw the OP wins her case, BTW.
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