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Hi,

This ones a bit of a different PCN hopefully it'll be appealable.

On the day of this PCN I was on job at a club (forgot the name) doing security.

There was some 'known people' there reason being it was opened even later then usual. They had ended up very drunk and we were looking after them. There was also threats that there was people outside attempting to steal from them as they had high value watches on. For these reasons we (the security) had to help them get to the car and home safe as one couldn't even walk. They had one car and we assisted the others with no car to get to a safe place.


In the video of the CCTV provided you can clearly see me waiting inside the car and workers and security are back and forth from the club with one security on lookout outside the car they're getting into.. I'm sat in the car waiting for the people to be boarded and the security guards are seen in the video coming to and from the club with one on guard.

Would this fall under the assist boarding and if not will there be any other grounds of appeals?


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Appreciate all help
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You know the drill by now, we need to see the PCN (all sides of all pages), and we need the PCN number and number plate as well do don' redact those please.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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This is not a PCN, but a Charge Certificate. It means you have missed the PCN. It should be possible to get the process reset by waiting for the Order for Recovery. However, as one piece of post has already gone astray (do you have problems with the post?), you need to be pro-active, ringing TEC every week to see if Lambethg have registered the debt. Once that has been done, you can download the appropriate forms and send them to TEC. As long as you are in time, it is a tick-box exercise. N.B. if yoiu send in the forms before the debt is registered, TEC will return them. Others will confirm if I have the process right, and tell you the details of the necessary form.

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@privates as John says, you need to be proactive: it's up to you to keep chasing updates, you cannot rely on the post.

You of all people should know this, given how many problems you've had in the past about notices going missing.

Rather than phone TEC, the quickest way to check is on https://pcnevidence.lambeth.gov.uk/pcnonline/index.php as the amount due will jump up to £204 when the debt is registered, at that point you can file a witness statement with TEC. You can download the form from https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1094509/TE9.pdf and you don't need to print it, just fill it in on your computer and email it to tec@justice.gov.uk (they accept typed signatures).

Check the amount on the council website at least once a week.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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This PCN is now at its first stage again. Is there anything else I should add to the draft below? Are CCTV allowed to give such PCNs under Lambeth Council?

Draft :

To whom it may concern,

I challenge this PCN on the basis of assist boarding people incapable of boarding safely. On this day I was at work at the venue outside of the location above. I am a security guard and I was asked to safely board the customers seen in the CCTV evidence due to them being intoxicated and unable to reliably board there vehicle. This also included me dropping one customer to there house safely in my own vehicle. You can also see from the video that they forgot to pay the bill and had to do so in the vehicle as one of the staff leave the venue to take payment. My job as a security is to make sure everyone leaves the venue safely and can safely go home. Due to these circumstances I had to park as close as possible to the venue in a safely manner which I did so behind one of the customers vehicles.

I ask this PCN is cancelled under the assist boarding exception due to these circumstances.

Thank you.
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CCTV can be used to enforce restricted bus stops, which is what your PCN was issued for, (stopping in a restricted bus stop)
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Is there any grounds of appeal for the PCN?
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Did you send your challenge as per post reply#5?
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Hi,

I haven't, is it suitable to send through?
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In your other thread this vehicle was a family member's.

Who is the registered keeper?

Only they may engage with the enforcement procedure.
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It needs tidying up.  The registered keeper can authorise you to make the representations.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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..but it's never your PCN, it's always theirs.
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I was driving the vehicle at the time, I was going to appeal the PCN. Shall they appeal on my behalf or do I have them authorise me to appeal the PCN?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 24, 2024, 06:41:35 pm
It needs tidying up.  The registered keeper can authorise you to make the representations.

Shall I have them sign an authorisation or can I state that they have authorised me in the appeal?
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