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Lambeth council PCN - stopping in a restricted bus stop, Dulwich road
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Hi all,

I stopped for literally 10 seconds for my wife to jump out (we'd just realised the baby's water bottle was back in the cafe) and moved on. The whole video is 19 seconds and it shows that I was there for less than 10 seconds

Front page of PCN attached

I stopped right behind the last car in a parking spot. I did not realise it was a bus stop - as far as I knew the bus stop was well behind me, and I could not see the markings - I always thought the bus stop pole usually signified the top end of the bus stop, clearly I was wrong. You can see the bus stop here -

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.452476,-0.1027936,3a,90y,245.21h,92.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfuhSTT2rmtSrFguNTGAykQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.7298054051269958%26panoid%3DfuhSTT2rmtSrFguNTGAykQ%26yaw%3D245.20757935092666!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D 

The link for the video in the letter does not work (http://parkingphotos.lambeth.gov.uk) but if I go the long way through the council website it is there. Not sure if relevant.

The video zooms in on a sign on the bus post, which I assume says no parking - however, I was WELL past that sign, as the google maps streetview will show, and it isn't there in the google maps streetview in any case.

Not holding out any hope here, but I hate Lambeth council particularly, so thought I would ask here if there were any grounds to challenge.

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Re: Lambeth council PCN - stopping in a restricted bus stop, Dulwich road
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All pages of the PCN pl.

If you couldn't see the markings then IMO you shouldn't be driving!! Sorry, but they are clear as the photo shows, so let's not even go there because IMO it smacks of desperation and reflects upon you, not the council who couldn't make the wording any larger.

IMO, you need to look at other aspects e.g. PCN-specific wording compared and contrasted with their website,, whether a prescribed traffic sign was displayed clearly, whether de minimis might apply etc.,
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I see no yellow sign in their evidence.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Re: Lambeth council PCN - stopping in a restricted bus stop, Dulwich road
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>If you couldn't see the markings then IMO you shouldn't be driving



It was more from the angle I was in when I pulled up, I saw a double yellow line. You can see it in the google maps street vew between the bus stop and the parking in front.

Back page of PCN attached

Also one of the photos which is on the website, but not on the PCN itself shows a board - you cant really read what it says though

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It was more from the angle I was in when I pulled up,

..how would we know..we haven't seen the video and haven't seen how you pulled up. Sorry, but we do need to see it because it's their primary evidence as regards the contravention.
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It's not public.
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Ahh bugger. Fixed the permissions now
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This is a contravention and you I doubt you have anything other than discretion to ask for.

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Well, I accessed the status quo and in my opinion what is stated is a possible ground of appeal.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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