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Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Hi, need some advice please.

someone i know got a pcn from Lambeth council for failing to give way at salters hill code 37 J.

due to the person on holidays missed the 14 days and also missed 28 days windows for reduced payment and appeal. Checked on their website representation can still be made and it says pcn increasing to £240 on 23rd Jan.

if representation made now will they hold the pcn amount to £160 and will it still increase as oit of 28 days windows, pcn issue date 16 dec 25?

pcn can be viewed at google drive link below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2PNBGFwB4R1bdqpFWr_xt5CBJtby9Vm/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Screenshot website re payment.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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You need to make the document public.

Or what is VRM and PCN number.

This is a very common location and appeals can be won but we need to see the video and also Hippo's request.

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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You need to make the document public.

Or what is VRM and PCN number.

This is a very common location and appeals can be won but we need to see the video and also Hippo's request.

hi, sorry i have made the document public now. you should be able to see it, also pcn number is LJ35488851 and VRM is FV71RVN.

thank you

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Screenshot website re payment.

hi, sorry i did not get which screenshot you want? can you please explain? thank you

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Screenshot website re payment.

hi, sorry i did not get which screenshot you want? can you please explain? thank you

Go online: www.lambeth.gov.uk/mypcn and enter your details AS IF to challenge. Then screenshot the page with the date of increase.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Hi, i have taken the screenshot and below is google drive link to view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OtdhoJK69_cOrJiC1ApXK15x8oGCKyZD/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you
« Last Edit: January 18, 2026, 01:21:55 pm by dr123 »

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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1. The contravention did not occur.
2. A motorist is entitled to know exactly when to pay and when. There is a clear disconnect between the website and the law.

In light of the above please cancel the PCN.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Hi, i have drafted a represenation. Please have a look at this and shall i add above your point or just your piint will be ok?
🙏
I make representations on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur.
The CCTV shows that my vehicle (FV71 RVN) was the third vehicle in a sequence already proceeding into the narrowed section of carriageway. Two vehicles ahead had already committed to the manoeuvre. By the time my vehicle followed, it was not reasonably possible to stop or reverse safely without causing obstruction.
Priority at this location is conveyed by signage for each direction of travel. The CCTV does not demonstrate that, at the point my vehicle became committed, the oncoming vehicle had reached and was exercising its priority in a manner that allowed a safe opportunity for my vehicle to yield. My vehicle was already clearing the narrowed section by the time the oncoming vehicle reached the point where priority would be relied upon.
Even if it is suggested that the oncoming silver vehicle paused briefly, the footage does not establish that this pause was forced by my vehicle or that it amounted to a material impediment. The oncoming vehicle proceeds through without emergency braking or being required to wait for my vehicle to clear the restriction. Any brief hesitation appears consistent with anticipatory caution in a narrow carriageway rather than enforced priority.
While the CCTV shows the approach, it does not demonstrate a realistic decision point at which my vehicle could have safely given way once the movement of vehicles ahead had already committed traffic into the narrowing. In these circumstances, the authority has not discharged its burden of proving that a failure to give way occurred.
For these reasons, I respectfully request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

Thank you
« Last Edit: January 18, 2026, 02:32:11 pm by dr123 »

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Add the website point.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Add the website point.

Hi, i will add website point at the end. Please have a look and advice if its ok to send, thank you

"Additionally, I note that the information provided on the council’s online portal indicates that the penalty charge will increase on 23 January 2026, and that representations remain available. This differs from the strict 28-day period stated on the PCN. A motorist is entitled to clear and consistent information as to their obligations and time limits, and I relied on the council’s published information when making these representations.

For these reasons, I respectfully request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled."

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Hi,  i have finilised the following draft. Would you be able to read it and advice if its ok to submit, thank you very much 🙏🙏

"The contravention did not occur
(and procedural unfairness / lack of clarity)
I make representations on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur.
The CCTV shows that my vehicle (registration FV71 RVN) was the third vehicle in a sequence already proceeding into the narrowed section of carriageway. Two vehicles ahead had already committed to the manoeuvre. By the time my vehicle followed, it was not reasonably possible to stop or reverse safely without causing obstruction.
Priority at this location is conveyed by signage for each direction of travel. The CCTV does not demonstrate that, at the point my vehicle became committed, the oncoming vehicle had reached and was exercising its priority in a manner that allowed a safe opportunity for my vehicle to yield. My vehicle was already substantially clearing the narrowed section by the time the oncoming vehicle reached the point at which priority would be relied upon.
Although the oncoming silver vehicle appears to pause briefly, the footage does not establish that this pause was forced by my vehicle or that it amounted to a material impediment. The oncoming vehicle proceeds without emergency braking and without being required to wait for my vehicle to fully clear the restriction. Any brief hesitation appears consistent with anticipatory caution in a narrow carriageway rather than enforced priority.
The CCTV does not demonstrate a realistic decision point at which my vehicle could have safely given way once traffic ahead had already committed vehicles into the narrowing. In these circumstances, the authority has not discharged its burden of proving that a failure to give way occurred.
Additionally, I note that the information provided to the motorist regarding time limits is unclear and inconsistent. While the Penalty Charge Notice refers to periods calculated from the date of the notice and the date of service in different sections, the council’s online portal states that the penalty charge will increase on 23 January 2026 and continues to show that representations remain available.
A motorist is entitled to clear and consistent information as to their obligations and applicable time limits. I relied on the council’s published online information when making these representations. Any ambiguity created by conflicting guidance must be resolved in favour of the motorist.
For the above reasons, I respectfully request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled."

Re: Lambeth Council PCN for failing to give way
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Hi, 

we have received the reply from council and they have rejected the appeal but has offered to pay at discounted price of £80 which when we made appeal was on full amount of £160.

in the video footage, our car crosses the give away line at 0.05 seconds and at that time oncoming silver vehicle is just over the road hump which is roughly 30 to 33 yards before their priority sign ( i have checked on google maps and measured the distance)  and at around 0.07 seconds when our car is literally clearing narrow section of road the other is reaching priority sign, the other car did pause for a second.

Can somebody please watch the video and suggest if the point that "our car was committed when the other car was not even at its priority sign and when our car was clearing the narrow section then they literally get their priority sign" is good enough and worth risking £80 to take the appeal further to tribunal or is there anything else someone can suggest or shall we just pay £80 if the chances are slim?

thanks
« Last Edit: March 04, 2026, 02:11:33 am by dr123 »