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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2025, 01:22:41 pm »
@HCAnderson,

Here is the supporting evidence form I submitted on November 28th.

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2025, 03:10:57 pm »
Please keep a detailed record of all website pages re payment status.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2025, 03:14:46 pm »
Hi @Hippocrates,

I'm not sure what you mean?

I keep checking the payment link on the Lambeth website to see if the amount changes but it is still showing £195.


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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2025, 09:12:47 pm »
Post it please.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2025, 10:19:06 pm »
@Hippocrates, here are the payment screens I'm referring to above:


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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2025, 12:59:05 pm »
I mean the payment status page via the reps. page. Sorry. Challenge page.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2025, 01:12:49 pm »
@Hippocrates, is this the one you mean?

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2025, 06:21:20 pm »
I submitted my 'additional evidence' on December 25th and have still not received any response so I suspect Lambeth have decided I was not eligible to make any further reprensentations. Highly frustrating of course as I was only asking them to honour what they had stated in their letter which was to allow me to pay the reduced rate of £65.

Assuming they are not going to correspond with me further, what are my options now?

What happens if they do progress to applying to the County Court to recover the full amount?
As you might have gathered, I have never arrived at this stage with a PCN. I have either appealed successfully at the first stage or paid the original discounted amount, so this is new territory for me.
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2025, 06:58:47 pm »
Hi @Hippocrates, @mrmustard, @H C Andersen,

The PCN challenge status has changed (see below), albeit subtly, since my last post.

They have removed the red banner saying "The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice Will get registered at the Court and increase to £205 very soon. Please pay £195 now" and replaced it with a blue banner saying simply "Please pay £195 now".

They have also added a red banner saying "The PCN is past the stage at which you can challenge it or make representations".

I'm not sure what to make of these changes but I'm assuming it means they are ignoring anything that I submit through the 'further evidence' option, which would explain why they have not responded to my requests to reduce the outstanding charge to £65 as promised in their letter of November 14th.

I would appreciate any advice you can give me on what to do next?

Thank you!

« Last Edit: January 16, 2025, 07:04:04 pm by stevec »
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2025, 07:41:49 pm »
Of course like a lot of councils, ever greedy for your money, they mendaciously don't tell you about the Order for Recovery stage, at which point one can submit a Witness Statement, or a Statutory Declaration, (which one depends on the legislation the PCN was served under). This stage can get the CC c and the process reverted back behind the CC stage.
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2025, 07:46:40 pm »
Thank you @Incandescent!

How do I go about doing that? Can you please point me in the right direction?
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2025, 11:06:05 pm »
Quote from: stevec on January 16, 2025, 07:46:40 pm
Thank you @Incandescent!

How do I go about doing that? Can you please point me in the right direction?
You do it by not paying the CC. In order to collect the money the council must register the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (the "court" without court rooms or judges). Once they have done that they must serve you with an Order for Recovery. This adds £10 to the amount, being the TEC registration fee. At this stage, you can submit a Statutory Declaration using form PE3
This form will be included with the OfR, but you can download it from the TEC website: -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice
Your case must match one of the reasons on the form.

Note that there is no possibility whatsoever of you getting a CCJ. The process was specifially written so as to avoid this way back in the 90s.

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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2025, 11:29:39 pm »
Thank you again @Incandescent!

I have downloaded the PE3 form but I don't see that I can claim my case falls under one of the three scenarios i.e
- I did receive the PCN
- I made representations on three occasions and they responded each time, although they did not follow through and reduce the fine to £65 as they said they would in the last rejection letter
- I have not yet appealed to the Parking/ Traffic Adjudicator as I have been waiting for a formal response to my request to reduce the charge

So I don't see how I can match my case to one of these three reasons, or am I missing something?
Am I able to claim their most recent rejection notice was not valid because they did not address my question about the reduced fine?
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2025, 11:41:28 pm »
I'm not sure I can answer this one. Our administrator cp8759 is better suited to this one, I think
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Re: Lambeth - 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain tyoes of vehicles - New Park Road (D)
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2025, 11:47:12 pm »
Ah, I see, thanks.

I'll wait to see if @cp8759 is able to help.
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