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Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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I received PCN for driving in bus lane at “A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound”
on Sunday 12 October 2025 at 16:30
When I checked board I found it is totally rubbed and blurred.
( attached image)

This bus lane has not been in use for many years and was due to be taken away because of traffic queues at all times ,it’s been custom and practice to use it when it was defuncted and Lbn put it back in action without any knowledge to the residents or motorist and have captured many ,the sign has been painted for some time now and Newham has not remediated it at all.
This bus lane has already petition to remove it as it is not any use full and blocking traffic. and was not in use or enforced for long.

I send online Informal challenge as below
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“The signage at the location was not clear to mention any detail or time of restriction. Board was unreadable and does not explain any relevant detail. It has rubbed out all details. I have attached recent images and video of Board located at alleged lane also google screen of board for alleged lane that shows the obscured sign for last 3 month.”

TFL Replay:
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I received reply as they found total two board and first board that has correct detail display.(attached image to show both board)
and says marking on road and legend ‘Bus Lane’ bus lane on road.

and they rejected cancelling pcn.

I again send Informal challenge as below:
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"When you mention there is two bus lane sign is in specified location"
Both signs should not have different details, sign we seen is totally rubbed out and doesn’t give any indication of time of operation or days. It gives indication of cancelled bus lane.
Solid sign and Buse Lane legend on road is there but rubbed out board indicates may be previous bus lane and no more operational bus lane.
Also you said "first sign is clear still driver decided to enter. "When both marking are near same area may driver concentrated on non-clear one as non-clear one is at the point where solid line starts (Image attached)
LEGALLY there should no difference between 2 sign and any sing should very clearly readable, so no contravention happened.

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I have attached all relevant images and pcn and reply image as well.
It is illegal to have washed sign board still PCN is not cancelled.

Contravention location:  A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
Contravention date and time: 12 October 2025 at 16:30
Date of Notice: 17 Oct 2025


Please can you look into it and see what can be done.


Link to images : https://postimg.cc/gallery/kG7QbLm
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Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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Wait for the Enforcement Notice and I will assist with substantial arguments.  The warning sign should be positioned in advance of the taper.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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There are two warning sign.
One is at start of dotted line, that sign board is readable OK. https://i.postimg.cc/WtL2SwgB/First-Second-appart.jpg
second one is at finish of dotted line and start of Solid line. https://i.postimg.cc/c1VYVqmW/Second-board-align.jpg
That one is blurred https://i.postimg.cc/KcdLdX56/Rubbed-board.jpg

Once they send enforcement, discount rates will rise to full.
DO you think we have strong position and it will cancel PNC.
Also what is ground that will make it void.
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Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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TSM Chapter Three:

9.3.4.  Advance indication of a with‑flow bus lane is provided by the sign to diagram 958
(S11‑2‑37, see Figure 9‑2) varied as appropriate. Where the speed limit is 20 mph or 30 mph,
the sign should be sited 30 m in advance of the lead‑in taper formed by the road marking to
diagram 1010 (see 9.3.3), with a minimum clear visibility distance of 45 m. Where the speed
limit is 40 mph, the sign should be sited 45 m in advance of the taper with a minimum clear
visibility distance of 60 m. For a speed limit of 50 mph the sign should be sited 90 m in advance
of the taper with a minimum clear visibility distance of 75 m.


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Look at my posts for other TFL bus lanes.

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The PCN is arguably invalid. Where is it?

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If this goes to the Tribunal, they MUST attend or their evidence is inadmissible.

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They have not contested many of the ones I have done in  the last year in any event. And they did not attend for one and they failed to provide their evidence 7 days before the hearing in another.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2025, 09:47:57 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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Thanks
This is pcn : https://i.postimg.cc/LXdHV3p3/PCN.jpg
It has this images
1) https://i.postimg.cc/G20cjxCp/Image_1.jpg
2) https://i.postimg.cc/MTkWYmSn/Image_2.jpg
3) https://i.postimg.cc/Jnw1Q5Lj/Image_3.jpg

In reject reason they said as in image highlighted
https://i.postimg.cc/FKKYdZxB/Rejected-reason.jpg
They send me 2 image that shows car passing at start and then in further in lane so they argued after seeing first board(that is clear) driver decided to go in bus lane. while they didnt saied any thing about second board that is obscure.

Let me know .
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Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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OK.

What you should have said was this: the alleged contravention is not proved by your images etc.  You have done their job for them but all is not lost. Be patient and trust me please.

When you receive the EN, I'll draft some serious representations for you.

@cp8759 will agree that they have staffing problems in any event!

Meanwhile the law re attendance: 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted

7(6)

(6)Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the council requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.

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TFL cases won on this issue:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K6xxgP03V2FFeVIV-jQVXgqMn4xlZIAf/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MeFn07--QotxsTXRgT09-jw8B7q637Hx/view
« Last Edit: November 12, 2025, 11:21:52 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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Just for information.
I seen your cases attached.
If it goes to appeal in tribunal, you did represent on phone? also if you did is any charges involved?
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Re: Bus Lane PCN with one Rubbed Sign Board (out of two) at A13 NEWHAM WAY E6 Westbound
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I did it in person. Now in person via teams. No charge. I do it for love and good karma!
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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