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Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #15 on: »
Update

I checked the status of the PCN last night and it now shows that the ticket has been cancelled and no further action is required.

Thanks for your help

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #16 on: »
I would apply for costs actually.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #17 on: »
The PCN didn't make it to the tribunal I think Hippocrates
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #18 on: »
So the saga continues.

Today I have received a PCN with exactly the same reference for the same incident but with a charge of £80 subject to appeal.

They have no record that it was cancelled despite the portal showing it did (email sent to them as proof).

https://imgur.com/a/YbW19Oe

They are now stating I need to challenge it again as the previous challenge will not be accepted despite the fact they can see it on the system.





Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #19 on: »
Tell them politely where to go.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #20 on: »
No sensible expert will advise on what he cannot see. Please show us the latest document.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #21 on: »
+1, the OP must follow forum procedures pl.

Talking of procedures...Let's stay within those for road traffic contraventions pl.

OP, you say you were served with a CC (we haven't seen it) in respect of a PCN which you did not receive. Procedurally, you were simply required to wait until an Order for Recovery was issued following which you could submit an in-time Statutory Declaration (under the grounds 'Did not receive the PCN/NTO in question')which would have the effect of revoking the OfR and the CC and leaving the authority with the option to reissue the PCN or not. Their choice, nothing to do with you at this stage.

But instead you contacted the authority, did not make any written submissions that we're aware of, reported that the PCN had been cancelled and now said you've been served with another, which we've yet to see.

Let's see what this PCN reveals.


Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #22 on: »
Ok for clarity

- PCN they claimed was issued 24th April for an incident that took place on 17th April at 8:05pm

- PCN never received

- Charge Certificate received 30th May (£240)

- contacted RBK (David) who advised their was an error and the PCN can be ignored however due to their threat of county court action within 14days I submitted an appeal as their web portal allowed me to.

- submission as follows

Dear Sir / Madam The first i was aware of this PCN was when i received the Charge Certificate on Friday 30th May. I have never received the letter you claim was issued on 24th April 2025. I have just spoken with one of your colleagues (David) at 11:30am this morning who has advised me this PCN is part of a bacth of PCNs that were issued in error and that i am to await an update but as the Charge certificate states you will proceed with County Court within 14 days of letter issue i feel i have to respond. Having reviewed the evidence provided by yourselves my view is as follows: 1. There was no contravention as per the law. 2. The locus is vague as there are several junctions. 3. The box is too big as already ruled by one adjudicator whose decision you have not appealed. Considering the above, please cancel. Should you not agree to do so, I am prepared to take the matter to the Tribunal and, if successful, make a claim for costs in addition.

- 11th June the RBK PCN portal showed the ticket had been cancelled and no further action was required as per the picture in last post.

- Today I received a new PCN with the same reference for the same incident advising I had 14 days to pay £80 fee or appeal

https://imgur.com/a/Z7arQfW

- I contacted RBK to ascertain what was going on as the portal showed it canceled to which they insisted it wasn’t and that having reviewed the footage it’s been issued correctly.  I referred to my previous challenge to which the lady advised wouldn’t be valid and would have to submit again. She also wanted proof via email that the web portal showed the ticket as cancelled as they didn’t believe me. This evidence was submitted to rbk.enquiries@apcoa.com and below is a picture of the email response.

https://imgur.com/a/BZ3uaQr

I no longer have a copy of the charge notice they issued previously as I destroyed on the basis the portal said the ticket had been cancelled.

Kind regards





Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #23 on: »
Apart from you submitting representations beyond the 28-day period provided, what's posted rehearses what's clear from the thread.

You submitted reps late - why, I don't know, because they could disregard without any obligation to respond when procedurally you should have waited for the OfR.

Anyway, IMO this matter will be resolved procedurally and not by you contacting the council.

You MUST make reps.

Penalty exceeded....circumstances of case.

The PCN has been served out of time. They had 28 days but they've taken 2 months. None of the exceptions to the 28-day rule applies because a previous PCN (which existed because they served a CC) was not cancelled by TEC and you are the same addressee as in the first PCN, therefore it's not a fresh notice.

IMO, forget about the contravention(include in your reps if you must, but make this secondary), websites, unconfirmed telephone conversations etc. and get back to procedure.

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #24 on: »
Sorry to sound stupid but what am I to do now based on your response?

Do I use the web portal to appeal and state the existing plus the fact they are outside of the 28 day notice for issuing the pcn or just ignore and await them to respond to the email proof of the cancelled pcn?

Thanks again for your help it’s honestly really appreciated.

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #25 on: »
This outfit is well-known. If you would like me to write a stiff complaint to them and get this sorted, PM me.

Sorry as in Kos at present, supposedly holidaying. So, I tend to shoot from the hip at RBK.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #26 on: »
OP, do what it says on the PCN i.e. pay or make reps.

Assuming you opt for the latter, then the grounds are as I explained.

Do NOT refer to anything other than the PCN you have, it would be a distraction and for your purposes unnecessary.

And sorry to take the contra view to Hippocrates, we don't need complaints - these are extra-procedural and can come later- deal procedurally with what you have i.e. a PCN.

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #27 on: »
my two-pronged approach with RBK has always worked -and even resulted in costs when the Adjudicator read what they wrote in response to my complaint. It is essential to have a detailed timeline of events and conversations.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #28 on: »
Accepted, but as costs under adjudication procedures cannot arise until a NOR has been received, then submitting reps is the next step. To me the grounds are objective: there is no provision for this PCN which they are therefore obliged to cancel for procedural reasons.

If they don't, then take it from there,


Re: Kingston Upon Thames - 31J - Kingston road
« Reply #29 on: »
So having not heard a word from Kingston I thought I would check on the status of the PCN.

Please see image

https://imgur.com/a/tErG92B

it’s comical that the status is now NTO/Enforcement Notice Sent and the fee has gone up despite no contact from them at all and the history of the claim as seen below says on hold.

https://imgur.com/a/GkQkTaJ

My patience with them is running very thin.