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Islington Council: 12 Parked in residents bay without valid permit
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Hi all

On behalf of a friend, who received a PCN on his road where he is a resident. He did have a resident permit but didn’t renew on time and has now been issued with a PCN. Is there any grounds to appeal this on the basis that he’s lived here over the last 5 years and has always had a resident permit but in this instance didn’t renew on time?

Link to PCN and council pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/47iXCob

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'but in this instance didn’t renew on time?' can cover a multitude of alternatives e.g. 1 day late, 1 week late, 1 month.....?
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It was a matter of days, expired on 24th January
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So now he needs to submit an informal representation explaining that he has been a permit holder for 5 years, but on forgot to renew his permit this year , and request that on this ocasion the PCN be cancelled on a goodwill basis.
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Post a draft on here first and we'll tidy it up for you.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Draft below:

Dear Islington Council,

I’m writing to appeal the PCN on the grounds that I am a resident permit holder and have been for the last 5 years. I apologise for not renewing on time, I was wrongly under the impression that it would renew automatically but that wasn’t the case. I can only apologise and can assure you that this doesn’t happen again. I plead that on this occasion you cancel this PCN as a token of good will.

I attach evidence that I have been a paying resident permit holder over the last years, as well as currently having a permit which I immediately purchased upon realising it did not renew.

Regards
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I think it's worth employing the tactic explained here, because I know from experience that Islington Council won't look at the evidence.

However only a failure to consider at the formal representations stage will work, so I suggest you take out "I attach evidence that I have been a paying resident permit holder over the last years, as well as currently having a permit which I immediately purchased upon realising it did not renew" and don't attach anything.

At the notice to owner stage, if you send me the supporting evidence I can set up a couple of links with a click counter. This approach is quite novel but so far it has always worked, see these cases:

Simandeep Johal v London Borough of Lewisham (2230428653, 04 November 2023)
Long Ting Lo v London Borough of Brent (2230490555, 18 December 2023)
Norbert Adam v London Borough of Sutton (2230516863, 06 January 2024)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2024, 01:26:04 am by cp8759 »
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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cp8759 is also a "wicked" wizard!  That first case was a bit of a mouthful though.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Okay thanks for this. So is the draft good to go I’ll just delete the “see attached evidence bit” ?
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Quote from: iispartan on February 04, 2024, 05:32:40 pm
Okay thanks for this. So is the draft good to go I’ll just delete the “see attached evidence bit” ?
Yes.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Challenge rejected by Islington:

Response here https://imgur.com/a/JZlUWbo
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Is it worth pursuing this further or is this a gamble?
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I would PM cp8759.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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@iispartan there's no point in paying now, if you want for the notice to owner and challenge in within 14 days they almost invariably reoffer the discount. Therefore you might as well give them another chance to mess things up.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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