Author Topic: Barking and Dagenham PCN – Contravention 62 – wheels on footpath (PCN) – 39 Academy way (in front of Roehampton House ca  (Read 765 times)

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Brilliant, I will send it off the new response later on today. thanks for all your help. lets see what they come back with.

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It fails to explicitly include information that if a Notice to Owner is served following initial representations, any further representations must adhere to the specific requirements set out in the Notice to Owner, including the form, manner, and timeline for response. This lack of comprehensive information in the PCN about the process for contesting the charge at all stages, particularly post-issuance of a Notice to Owner, is a notable procedural deficiency. This omission compromises my ability to fully comprehend and exercise my appeal rights as mandated by regulation, thereby undermining procedural fairness and my entitlement to contest the charge.

Is NOT the point which arises from the PCN.

A PCN is essentially in 3 parts:
1. The vehicle and contravention details;
2. Payment;
3. Challenges and further steps.

As regards 3, the PCN does not state that reps received before a PCN is issued will be considered, in fact consideration is only implicit. But this is not the key issue. The PCN must state, in effect warn, that even if reps are received before a NTO is issued then the recipient of the NTO MUST comply with the NTO's instructions e.g. pay or make formal reps. Not just 'is entitled to' but must.

The issue is not the 'form and manner..' it is that in order to protect the recipient's legal position they must act upon the NTO even if they or someone else has submitted 'informal' reps.

Your reps need more work IMO and you have until the 31 March to refine them and submit. (date of issue Thurs. 29 Feb. = service Mon. 4 March which is day 1 of the 28-day period).

But remember...that as the defect arises in the printed (as opposed to CEO-entered) part of the PCN, then the authority are unlikely to accept that it's not substantially compliant because the officer who considers your reps did not draft the PCN, neither are they likely to take it upon themselves to believe you over the 'system' which in its infinite wisdom drafted the PCN.

In short, they'll likely reject your reps, so prepare yourself.

However, an adjudicator wouldn't care about the internal dynamics and reputational damage to any officer.

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Also i've just received the notice to Owner from B&D (attached) - from reading this, its just a representation to D&B and not at tribunal. but not sure why they are not offering the £65 discount?
They can't, the notice to owner must demand the full penalty but if they reject, the rejection will usually reoffer the £65 rate as long as you agree not to appeal to the tribunal.

It's worth  noting that The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 have been abolished and replaced by The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022, but that won't make any difference to the outcome.

Let us know when you get a response please.
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Hi all,

hope you're enjoying your bank holiday weekend!

@HC Andersen, thanks for your input, i've updated my notice to include your response, i'll get it sent out today.

thanks again!

Dear Sirs,

I am writing to formally contest the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued on 19/12/23, for contravention code 62, based on procedural improprieties linked to both the initial appeal process as outlined by Regulation 9 of The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007, and the subsequent actions required in relation to a Notice to Owner (NTO).

Firstly, the PCN falls short of the detailed requirements set forth in Regulation 9, specifically failing to provide comprehensive guidance on how to contest the charge through all stages of the process, particularly if a Notice to Owner (NTO) is issued following initial representations. This lack of clarity undermines the procedural fairness of the enforcement process and impairs my ability to exercise my rights to appeal effectively.

Upon reviewing the initial PCN, it states, “...the registered owner/keeper will be entitled to make representations to the council against the penalty charge and may appeal to an independent adjudicator if those representations are rejected.” However, this wording does not adequately convey the obligatory nature of the actions required upon receiving an NTO. It is crucial for recipients to understand that, irrespective of any informal representations made prior to the NTO issuance, they must comply with the directives of the NTO—either by making payment or by submitting formal representations as instructed. The use of "entitled" significantly dilutes the imperative to comply, which could mislead recipients regarding their legal obligations and affect their ability to safeguard their rights.

The combined effect of these deficiencies not only compromises the procedural integrity of the PCN issuance but also significantly hampers the rights of individuals to navigate the appeals process with a full understanding of their obligations and entitlements.

Given these procedural and informational shortcomings, I respectfully request the reconsideration and subsequent cancellation of this PCN.

Yours sincerely

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2007 regs replaced in 2022 - you can refer to 2022 General Regulations as shortform name
I help you pro bono (for free). I only ask that a donation is made to the North London Hospice if you can afford it and if you win. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless.
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Dear Sirs,

I am writing to formally contest the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued on 19/12/23, for contravention code 62, based on procedural improprieties linked to both the initial appeal process as outlined by Regulation 9 of The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007, and the subsequent actions required in relation to a Notice to Owner (NTO).
@smurf-e did you read my reply above?
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Hi All,

Received the rejection from Barking and Dagenham. i think we always knew it was going to be rejected. do you think its worth taking this forward to tribunal?

i've attached their response.

@cp8759 - I had sent the response and forgot to copy over the correct regulation, so my appeal makes reference to the 2007 standard.

thanks again for all your help with this.


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@smurf-e well you didn't challenge the notice to owner within 14 days, in fact you challenged it on the last day of the 28 day period. If you don't challenge the notice to owner within 14 days of the date of issue, the council will not normally reoffer the discount, so as things stand there's no point in paying now because if you go to the tribunal and lose the penalty stays the same. On the other hand you might win, so there's really nothing to be lost in carrying on.

It might be possible to construct an arguable case around legitimate expectation, I wouldn't have suggested risking the discount on that alone but at this point you might as well have a go.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order