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Johnathorn

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Adjudicator refused appeal
« on: July 31, 2024, 08:29:10 am »
This is just a preliminary post, I will elaborate further as required.

Yesterday my appeal was heard at London Tribunals and I explained that the PCN should be transferred because I have a legal transfer of liability with hire length of under 6 months, all fully legal and compliant. However the adjudicator refused the appeal because he a) thought I was lying and seemingly didn't trust my character, and b) he requested evidence that I am a hire firm.

I own and hire out two vehicles and earn a living from that aswell as a few other business ventures. The councils accept my hire agreement and transfer the PCN to the Hirer however the adjudicator wants evidence which I had never prepared for or had no way of knowing it would be required, I was to assume the hire agreement is enough like it is for the other councils. Anyway I can have a solicitor or accountant go over my accounts and confirm that I earn a living from hiring out my vehicles and have him create a letter that confirms that I do operate a hire firm. However how do I overturn or challenge/appeal the adjudicator decision?

Any advice would be very helpful.

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John U.K.

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2024, 09:44:18 am »
You have a limited time to ask for a review of an Adjudicator's decision - see
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/appeals-process-explained

Please start by giving us the case number.

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2024, 09:48:48 am »
what is the tribunal case number?

Did the adjudicator ask for evidence of you being a hire company and what did you say? In most cases if you would have said you can provide supporting evidence then they should have deferred unless there were other reasons why that was not the right thing to do for eg the council had asked you for this evidence so you were already on notice but did not provide

you will be able to ask for a review of the adjudicators decision (within 14 days) on the basis of interests of justice (and some other narrow reasons) and provide the additional evidence that the adjudicator asked for) but plz get help from experts here before submitting any thing

example template of review application here.
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/ruc/your-hearing/i-dont-agree-ruca-adjudicators-decision-what-can-i-do

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2024, 11:07:22 am »

The councils accept my hire agreement and transfer the PCN to the Hirer

If this was the case then you wouldn't have been at the Tribunal, the hirer would(if anyone) because if the council accepted your defence then they would have cancelled your PCN.

But you were there, we must therefore assume that the council didn't accept your defence. In which case they would have given reasons and you would have attended the adjudication armed with exactly the details which lie at the hub of such defences.

A copy of your formal representations to the authority, their NOR and their case evidence, including Case Summary would be useful.

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2024, 11:58:35 am »
It sounds to me that the adjudicator reached a finding of fact they were entitled to reach. As such you would have no grounds for review You could at a stretch ask to provide new evidence, but as that was available at the time of the hearing even though you had not gathered it then only an outside chance

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2024, 11:09:00 pm »
This case seems to fit the bill - OP can you confirm?

Case reference   2240236262
Appellant   Autolux UK
Authority   City of Westminster
VRM   AO22FCX
PCN Details
PCN   WE53357317
Contravention date   25 Jan 2024
Contravention time   12:10:00
Contravention location   Hereford Road
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
Referral date   
Decision Date   30 Jul 2024
Adjudicator   Michael Burke
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
The Appellants seek to transfer liability for this PCN by virtue of a vehicle hire agreement. It is possible to do this on an agreement of less than 6 months. However the document relied upon must satisfy The Road Traffic (Owner Liability) Regulations 2000, which require a statement of liability signed by the hirer and the inclusion of the following details:

'A. Particulars of person signing statement of liability*

1. Full Name.

2. Date of birth.

3. Permanent Address.

4. Address at time of hiring (if different from 3 above and stay is likely to be more than two months from date of hiring).

5. Details of driving licence:

(a) country where issued (if not UK),

(b) serial number or driver's number,

(c) date of expiry (which should be no later than date specified in B7 below).

* Where the statement of liability is in Part II of form H, the full name and address of the person by or on whose behalf the statement of liability was signed should be supplied together with the date on which it was signed. If the person taking possession of the vehicle is not the same as the person by or on whose behalf the statement was signed, the full name of that person should also be supplied (if known).

B. Particulars of hiring agreements

1. Registration mark of vehicle hired under the hiring agreement.

2. Make and model of vehicle hired under the hiring agreement.

3. Registration mark of any vehicle substituted for the above during the currency of the hiring agreement.

4. Make and model of any vehicle substituted for the above during the currency of the hiring agreement.

5. Time and date of any change of vehicle.

6. Time and date of commencement of original hiring period.

7. Expected time and date of expiry of original hiring period.

8. Time and date of commencement of authorised extension of hiring period.

9. Expected time and date of expiry of authorised extension of hiring period.

10. Actual time and date of return of vehicle (or when vehicle returned out of hours time and date on which vehicle-hire firm next opened for business).

This requirement applies only to the vehicle hire firm's copy of the hiring agreement.'

In their Case Summary the Enforcement Authority do not accept the veracity of the Appellants’ claim. They say the Appellants have repeatedly provided similar vehicle hire agreements but that no contact or payment is received once liability has been transferred.

If the Appellants were acting in good faith I would expect them to have responded to the Case Summary. They have failed to do so. I am not satisfied that the vehicle was subject to a genuine vehicle hire agreement. Accordingly I refuse each appeal.

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Re: Adjudicator refused appeal
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2024, 11:12:31 pm »
Forget it and move on.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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