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Islington 34J Being in a bus lane in Clerkenwell Road [Zone C]
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Hi all,

I’ve received a PCN 34J for “Being in a bus lane” on Clerkenwell Road (Zone C). From the council’s video, it isn’t very clear, but from what I remember there was heavy traffic with cars queuing to turn right into Farringdon Lane. I continued straight to bypass the queue and didn’t realise I would be crossing into the bus lane.

Has anyone dealt with a similar situation here? Do you think there are any grounds for challenging this, or is it better to just pay the reduced fine?

I only have 3 days left to pay at the discounted rate, so I’d really appreciate any quick advice.

Thanks.
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Re: Islington 34J Being in a bus lane in Clerkenwell Road [Zone C]
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Well, please get your links working if you're in a hurry ! This is what I get when I click on your link: -
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{"data":{"error":"Content not available in your region."},"success":false,"status":400}
Please do not redact PCN Number and car reg because we need to view their video, the sole evidence of the alleged contravention.

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@Tod. PM received. Send us the PCN and VRM details and do not pay anything. The 14 days is just the start of the game. At the end of it, they MUST attend the hearing at the Tribunal OR their evidence is inadmissible. I am here for you throughout the whole process.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Sorry about that – yesterday the Imgur link was working, but it looks like Imgur has recently been blocked in the UK. I’ve reuploaded the files here instead: https://i.ibb.co/S49y8Q1n/PCN.jpg

Thank you for your help, Hippocrates – I really appreciate your support.
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Thanks for the reply. What is the strategy here? With my previous PCNs I had to challenge first, then when rejected, take it to the tribunal where the council folded. How are we going to approach it in this case?
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I am away at present but will look tomorrow in depth.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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BEFORE you make a challenge, pleas screenshot the page and also afterwards as it is far too general.

Challenge: The video does not support the alleged contravention as it shows no upright signs allegedly passed.  plea cancel therefore.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Islington 34J Being in a bus lane in Clerkenwell Road [Zone C]
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Hi, sorry for the late response — for some reason I wasn’t notified that I’d received your message.I just realised I’d forgotten to click “notify” on this thread, so I didn’t see your message earlier. It should be fine now.

I’ve just received the second letter from the council. Before I make the challenge, I’ll take a screenshot of the page as you advised, both before and after submitting it.

Just to confirm, the wording for the challenge should be:

“The video does not support the alleged contravention as it shows no upright signs allegedly passed. Please cancel therefore.”

Is that correct?

Thanks again for your help.

https://i.ibb.co/SDmx5Dz3/PCN-letter-2.jpg
« Last Edit: October 18, 2025, 11:12:47 am by Tod »
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All of the EN please.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on October 18, 2025, 12:45:29 pm
All of the EN please.
Hi,

I’ve posted all of the Enforcement Notice as requested, but I haven’t heard back yet. Just wondering what the next step should be — should I go ahead and submit the challenge, or wait for further guidance?

Thanks again for your help,
Tod
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Will draft tomorrow.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Hi

Just a gentle nudge about the draft you mentioned on the 23rd — I’ve got 28 days from 17/10 to submit the challenge, so the deadline’s getting closer. Really appreciate your help with this!

Thanks
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Quote from: Tod on November 06, 2025, 03:47:05 pm
Hi

Just a gentle nudge about the draft you mentioned on the 23rd — I’ve got 28 days from 17/10 to submit the challenge, so the deadline’s getting closer. Really appreciate your help with this!

Thanks
@Tod Thanks for the reminder. What was your first challenge and their rejection if any? PM sent.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Hi H,

I actually didn’t challenge it previously — I was waiting for some guidance and unfortunately missed the deadline.

Thanks,
Tod
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