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Hi I received this PCN, HN71513688, kindly help what can be done, I have appealed to make some time as the traffic was moving slow and the cars in front stalled although signal was green, morning rush hour, also I had my 7 month old daughter crying at back child seat who's seat strap I was adjusting while the traffic was moving very slow. Video is not viewing properly.

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I can't get the video to work either.  Unless one of the team here can extract it you may need to get in touch with the council.

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I have received this reply from them after i have challeneged the PCN, although now I coudl not see the video evidence on the link, its not accessible.

What other ways i can view the video and how do I proceed now. I have now requested for SAR from council, if they send me over the video however I think overall it wont be more than few seconds while I was moving ahead with that rush hour traffic quite slowly but not stationary.

Any help is appreciated

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On the contravention there's nothing we can do til we see the video so focus on getting it.

There may be issues with Hillingdon's process and another member may know more.

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When you say you "challenged" the PCN, did you submit formal representations against the PCN, or a simple request for the video footage pending submitting representations?

I'd suggest you attempt to contact the council by phone or email to bring to their attention the lack of video (not sure how easy this will be - some councils make direct contact difficult!).

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On the contravention there's nothing we can do til we see the video so focus on getting it.

There may be issues with Hillingdon's process and another member may know more.



First. the PCN is invalid re the increase. Not before the end of 28 days of the PCN date. They can only serve a C.C. after 28 days from the date of service. This is yet another council with the wrong date, Haringey and Hounslow being the others.  Must be an alphabetical problem.

Second, back later with a draft..

@cp8759 re the PCN.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 04:49:36 pm by Hippocrates »
How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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I have tried calling them on Hillingdon Council's parking enforcement hotline at 01895 271 418, but recording says to follow online website for any pcn appeals or pay, and nothing else.

So i have requested for SAR, if this helps, but no other way i can find to approach them.

Have reviewed some cases where it says theres appeal allowed where de minimis 4 or 6 seconds wait is evident by vdo. But here they may have deliberately not uploaded the vdo.

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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SUBJECT: Appeal for alleged 31J – PCN HN71513688 (Vehicle FORD FOCUS Blue 2007) – plate no. BK07OGL

Dear Sir,
I have already sent a response to the subject matter, and now again would like to make notice that the subject matter evidence of VIDEO IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, and only some photos can be viewed online.
I have also requested for SAR as well incase if I do not get response within time of notice period.
Kindly see to this request and allow me to appeal against this alleged contravention, which may have occurred only for some seconds while I was moving forward and front vehicle could not have moved forward due to sudden stalling of vehicles in front, I was travelling to drop-off at my in-laws, my 7-month daughter and she was crying behind driver’s seat in her child seat, claim already lodged with child seat company due to duaghter’s unease and uncomfortable posture making difficult her to breathe and chin-up, so I had to calm her down as well during this slow moving rush hour traffic in the morning. This sudden abrupt stalling of lsow moving vehicles has not made any blockade to any incoming traffic as you can see from the photos the police vehicle beside my car has also moved ahead in same manner, however I had to stop for some seconds to clear way front vehicle which stopped abruptly leaving me no choice but to wait for a while.


Is this reply/letter okay for council, maybe they will listen to such cry  :'(
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Is that draft intended to be a second challenge?  What did you write in the first one?

Either way, I don't suggest you send that.  Hippocrates has highlighted a flaw in the wording of your PCN which would likely render it invalid (there is certain mandatory information it is obliged to include and so if that wording isn't there, or doesn't accurately convey the required information, then you can argue the PCN is unenforceable).  He even provided a link to another similar case to show you how this argument has succeeded in the recent past.

So, if you are going to send a second challenge, I strongly suggest it includes his argument (plus a request for the video footage).  But first tell us what was in your original challenge, and let him guide you as to a suitable form of words to argue against the PCN wording.

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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2025, 09:52:39 pm »
No, I have only said this same details but have not argued for video not loading, I forgot this to mention in first when challenge appeal online. i thought of unavailable video being some issue with network. but later found this video link not working from anywhere.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2025, 10:30:01 am »
Please amend your reps. by adding the point about the PCN.
How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2025, 01:13:48 am »
@Hippocrates, many thanks

can you send a draft of that PCN flaw, I will add it to the letter I will sendover to council.
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2025, 01:15:40 am »
On the contravention there's nothing we can do til we see the video so focus on getting it.

There may be issues with Hillingdon's process and another member may know more.



First. the PCN is invalid re the increase. Not before the end of 28 days of the PCN date. They can only serve a C.C. after 28 days from the date of service. This is yet another council with the wrong date, Haringey and Hounslow being the others.  Must be an alphabetical problem.

Second, back later with a draft.. @Hippocrates

@cp8759 re the PCN.
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