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Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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Received a PCN for performing a prohibited turn at 7.06am.  The turn is prohibited from 7am to 9am on weekdays.

Husband was driving the car and didn't realise the time.  Want to appeal as the turn was just 6 mins after the restriction begins.  Is there anything in the PCN that we can use in the appeal.

PCN: https://1drv.ms/i/c/4ecbd9f7e37d76ed/Ef1TK6br-x9OrmYOzhKY-NoBfLYf3gFkKqK4ghnele7r0w?e=bWCUC0

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Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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Well they have confusedly stated when a charge certificate can be sent.  Page two please.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 06, 2025, 02:53:07 pm
Well they have confusedly stated when a charge certificate can be sent.  Page two please.

2nd part of PCN: https://1drv.ms/i/c/4ecbd9f7e37d76ed/ESwFjshIvtlLph7iKyRkWcYByA0nieY86NSixMHzwcEFFw?e=aCkB2w
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Fettered to one ground too.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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At the time this occurred there was a lot doing on.  Husband's close relative has had worrying health issues and I know it's been on his mind alot.  He usually avoids this turn every morning, but on this one occasion slipped up and didn't realise the time. I'm not sure if there's any point in telling the council this.

Is there anything in the PCN letter that can be used for appeal?

Thanks
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Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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Can anyone advise please?

A bit of context regarding the prohibited turn - we live a few metres after the turn. The restriction was put in place a few years ago to stop motorists using one of the roads in the estate as a rat run. On this particular day, as mention in my previous post, husband took the turn by mistake, but he was just returning home and not driving through other roads on the estate.
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Just wanted to know if anyone has looked into this case please? I'm conscious of time as it is coming up to 14 days.
Tagging @cp8759

Many thanks
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Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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So here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/i2i649CtyScDHoQB8

Can you get us updated photos of the signage? A brief video would also be helpful.

Is there any mitigation worth mentioning, especially anything unrelated to the contravention? A failure to consider can make for an easy win.

One obvious issue is that the notice doesn't specify what turn is prohibited (left, right or u-turn).

Also the council website is a joke, the ground of appeal are all either missing or wrong:

« Last Edit: January 13, 2025, 09:57:17 pm by cp8759 »
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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I'll take photos and video tomorrow.

I have private messaged you regarding the other mitigating circumstances.
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I sent an email to @cp8759 yesterday. 
Would they be able to get back to me today, as it's been 14 days since the PCN letter was sent and I'll need to send through the representations today.

Many thanks
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Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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I'll email you this evening, don't worry about the 14 day period as you can't really lose a case like this, so you won't be paying anything to the council anyway.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 50J - Performing a prohibited turn, Watford Road into Elgood Avenue
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@Wanda5 I've replied to your email.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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