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Hi. I drove home from Wembley and received a PCN for using "Bus lane" in Cambrose avenue.  I remember this section of road as it was really confusing (never driven here before). The road is two way traffic. I noticed that I was on top of a "give way" section with a concrete middle of the road divider between me and the other side, which I thought a bit strange as there was no reason I could see to give way to anything. On receiving the PCN, I have googled the street, and noted there is a road sign right on top of the entry to this section saying bus lane - but there is no prior warning before this, no normal road markings identifying it as a bus lane either. You are in it by the time you realise it and the only way to exit is to stop and reverse out - which is dangerous.  The sign is also poorly lit and difficult to see in the dark.  I want to appeal this PCN, and wondered if you are able to help me to do this please. I am not confident as reading up about this particular section - the council have made £1.3 million in fines, and usually reject appeals.  Thanks in advance. Dawn

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There is an on-going case for this location on the forum, so have a look at it. There may be a decision that the signage is not in accordance with the regulations. However, if you're minded to take the matter further, don't miss the deadline for paying or appealing on the PCN.

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Thanks - only one I can find is from January 2025 and they appear to have gone to the ombudsman, but found nothing recent.  I need help in knowing what to actually put down on the appeal to Harrow council that might actually work.

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There are a number of successful appeals at this location on the London Tribunals statutory register. Case 2240515018 is of interest as our Hippocrates represented the appellant at the tribunal, but others are also of interest.

Can you also please read this:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and update your thread accordingly.

Also, ss it is Easter many of our regulars may be on holiday.

London Tribunals
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/about/registers-appeals

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Thanks - but this case is a tribunal.  I  at the stage of having recently received the PCN, so now have the choice to pay the £80 or appeal directly to Harrow council.  They have not rejected anything yet.  So I am needing help to appeal directly to them before the 14 days are up for me to pay the reduced rate of £80.   You also sent a link relevant to new posts - but I have posted the PCN image and am not sure what else I am meant to update.  Thanks.

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The council will reject whatever you say, so if you're worried about the £80 extra to take them to London Tribunals, you may as well give up now.

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Really?  So no one has been successful in the first stage and has either paid or gone to tribunal?  If this is the case - I will still appeal to delay the payment of it, and if unsuccessful as it sounds I 100% will be; I then either pay the £80 or got tribunal and risk having to pay £160.  Is that correct? Thanks.

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Hey Dawn

Unfortunately I'm in the same boat as you and got one today for this location (My PCN from Camrose Ave)

I've had a look around on the forum and looks like the signage may not be compliant.

What's your take in this? Have you found anything else regarding the current tribunal - if that's successful we can certainly lean on that.

Thanks and good luck!

Dan

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There have been successful appeals at this notorious location. Have a look through the London Tribunals statutory register using "Camrose Avenue" as your search argument. You also need to enter a start date for the search. I owuld think 1st Jan 2023 should bring up cases. If you want to restrict to only successful appeals, type in the space at the bottom "appeal..." and you'll get a choice.

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=NASSTATREG:50::INITIALISE::30:APP_SRV_CODE,P50_RETURN_PAGE:ETA,30&cs=3kCjUUH_2cBMePrDS0aOKraeIT1-x0XjIxi5BGXShuVF0PmKDr4LiihnmW2Wdzplh1h45V42dYn_S9WKu2xsHJQ

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Thanks

That link won't work for me. When I do the search on the site and use Cameron Avenue as the location I get these results - but when you look at them they are all for 'Failure to pay charge for Ultra Low Emission Zone'.

I can't find any that actually relate to this location - if you could find one that would be great. Cheers

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Thanks

That link won't work for me. When I do the search on the site and use Cameron Avenue as the location I get these results - but when you look at them they are all for 'Failure to pay charge for Ultra Low Emission Zone'.

I can't find any that actually relate to this location - if you could find one that would be great. Cheers



That will be because at
https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:30::INITIALISE::Y::&cs=3OLW1K-bg2bAohOwOsZYwd2NckWTABwqTrmSchQDamgHyoAPzWgmWVT_CZRELDjCDeNLNp4EWARU5k_Y4ITnFRQ

You searched Road User Charging Adjudicators (RUCA) rather than Environment and Traffic Adjudicators (ETA)

A search on the latter from 'Camrose Avenue' (N.B. not Cambrose or Cameron!) start date 31/01/2023 reveals 33 allowed and 131 refused. Of course, not all cases will be for the same contravention.


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Thanks can see them now

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Thanks - only one I can find is from January 2025 and they appear to have gone to the ombudsman, but found nothing recent.  I need help in knowing what to actually put down on the appeal to Harrow council that might actually work.
I am available to help. Just say the signage is unclear.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

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Hey Dawn

Unfortunately I'm in the same boat as you and got one today for this location (My PCN from Camrose Ave)

I've had a look around on the forum and looks like the signage may not be compliant.

What's your take in this? Have you found anything else regarding the current tribunal - if that's successful we can certainly lean on that.

Thanks and good luck!

Dan
I am available to help.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 10:25:40 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

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That's hugely appreciated Hippocrates - I'll follow up on the thread I created for my PCN with you. Cheers!