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Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #15 on: »
Absolutely. Sorry to have missed the error previously;  but, no harm done as it will be highlighted next time.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #16 on: »
Update. Received the attached yesterday.

@Hippocrates - any thoughts?




Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #17 on: »
Dear Havering Council

I make the following represenatations against the PCN and EN.

1. I reiterate my previous challenge which I now require you to consider as my formal representations.
2. In addition, I say that the PCN is unenforceable because the sentence under Enforcement Notice on the PCN wrongly states the period in which to pay and make representations  The Law states this @

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted

(3)A penalty charge notice under this Part of this Act must state—

(c)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

(e)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an enforcement notice may be served by the council on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;


Therefore, the references to date of service in the said sentence is not only wrong but also creates an ambiguity:  If after the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which this PCN is served no such representations have been made, and the penalty charge has not been paid, an Enforcement Notice may be served.....

3. Furthermore, the payment option on the PCN does not state the address to which payment may be made:

(f)the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be sent;

4. The last ground: I bring a collateral challenge on the basis that the PCN is unenforceable because the taken without consent ground clearly fetters to theft by its very wording that a crime report be provided. Therefore, this inaccurate reflection of the statutory ground does not take into account that a relative, or friend, may have taken the vehicle without the owner's permission so that the owner would not necessarily, if at all, report the matter to the Police in such circumstances or, indeed, make an insurance claim.

5. I put you to strict proof that the camera at the location has the correct VCA certificate to satisfy the criterion of evidence as provided at para. 7(2) Schedule 1 of The London Local Authorities Act 1996 (as amended). 

In view of the above, please cancel both the PCN and EN.

**********************************

I would do this online as stated on the EN. .
« Last Edit: March 17, 2024, 07:38:20 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #18 on: »
@Felics: Further to our e mail exchange, do it online as per the second sentence under MAKING REPRESENTATION, using the web code.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2024, 09:55:43 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #19 on: »
Dear Havering Council

I make the following represenatations against the PCN and EN.

1. I reiterate my previous challenge which I now require you to consider as my formal representations.
2. In addition, I say that the PCN is unenforceable because the sentence under Enforcement Notice on the PCN wrongly states the period in which to pay and make representations  The Law states this @

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted

(3)A penalty charge notice under this Part of this Act must state—

(c)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

(e)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an enforcement notice may be served by the council on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;


Therefore, the references to date of service in the said sentence is not only wrong but also creates an ambiguity:  If after the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which this PCN is served no such representations have been made, and the penalty charge has not been paid, an Enforcement Notice may be served.....

3. Furthermore, the payment option on the PCN does not state the address to which payment may be made:

(f)the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be sent;

4. The last ground: I bring a collateral challenge on the basis that the PCN is unenforceable because the taken without consent ground clearly fetters to theft by its very wording that a crime report be provided. Therefore, this inaccurate reflection of the statutory ground does not take into account that a relative, or friend, may have taken the vehicle without the owner's permission so that the owner would not necessarily, if at all, report the matter to the Police in such circumstances or, indeed, make an insurance claim.

5. I put you to strict proof that the camera at the location has the correct VCA certificate to satisfy the criterion of admissibility of evidence as provided at para. 7(2) Schedule 1 of The London Local Authorities Act 1996 (as amended). 

In view of the above, please cancel both the PCN and EN.

**********************************

I would do this online as stated on the EN. .
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #20 on: »
Hi all, @Hippocrates

See attached response to my appeal below:





Do we now appeal with the verification code?

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #21 on: »
Yes sir.  Please e mail me and I will advise in detail.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #22 on: »
This should be an interesting one. Failure to consider too.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2024, 03:59:31 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #23 on: »
So looking forward to this. Say no more at this stage in the game.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 25, 2024, 11:20:16 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #24 on: »
@cp8759  do we know what the camera is at this location?  Interesting they did not provide a VCA certificate or a Witness Statement.  Case won today on both points.  Costs application to be considered as I wrote to them to do the eminently sensible thing which was to DNC!

HV008 camera?

FOIR sent.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2024, 07:32:17 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #25 on: »
Sorry @Hippocrates I've not dealt with this location before so I have no data on the camera.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #26 on: »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Havering PCN - New Road 1306 RM13 Bus lane contravention
« Reply #27 on: »
One of the most personable of all of them.  :)
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r