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Hello Everyone,

I visited a friends' place on 7/1/2026 and went to drop his kids to their school and failed to comply with a restriction that was live at the time. I saw the sign, but still went in like a fool.

I am not sure if this helps, but my friends' partner had a medical emergency and I thought dropping the kids would be beneficial to him.

Havering Council has sent a PCN with 53J. Is there any advice on the representation?

PCN and Council Video is here - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1W_n-VF3ESY6Miv_wxZz_fKjYNZxfWZDs?usp=sharing

Streetview Link - https://maps.app.goo.gl/WnhwwYVLLKYLgJCY8

PCN - HG62676810

VRM - CX62TXM

Date of Contravention - 7/1/2026

Date of the notice - 16/01/2026

Date of receipt by post - 20/1/2026

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I went through an earlier thread and I still see the issue on the representation page. Can this be used in my case?

Ref. - https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-%28councils-tfl-and-so-on%29/london-borough-of-havering-31j-pcn-entering-and-stopping-in-box-junction-pcn-mai/

The information on "representation reason" given on the postal notice and the website does not match.
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I was the representative. But things have changed!  PM me with your details please. Or I will do this.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@Hippocrates PM sent
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@Hippocrates I know you are busy, so just a gentle reminder to check my message please.

Would the last date of representation be 16/1 + 14 days = 30/1. Am I thinking this right?
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Deemed date of service is 20th. I am super busy and retiring soon. I will dig put my draft. Please screenshot the website as the grounds are wrong.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 31, 2026, 07:01:13 pm
Deemed date of service is 20th. I am super busy and retiring soon. I will dig put my draft. Please screenshot the website as the grounds are wrong.
I hope you're not retiring from this forum !
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Not the forum. Just from taking on cases at present.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Thanks @Hippocrates

If you and others can advice on the path to take forward, I can put in a representation
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I have submitted my representation today, and have taken a snapshot of the page as adviced before.

"I am submitting a representation as the council evidence does not show the vehicle passing a restriction sign. Therefore, this contravention didn't occur. Please cancel the PCN."
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I have received the NOR now.

Any advice on an appeal with the Tribunals?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1W_n-VF3ESY6Miv_wxZz_fKjYNZxfWZDs?usp=sharing
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Did you screenshot the web page with the wrong grounds AND the caveat about making a false declaration leading to a fine of up to £5000?
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@Hippocrates

Yes, as per your advice with timestamps.
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I say Tribunal time and will call tomorrow. Some retirement! ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 03, 2026, 10:37:39 pm
I say Tribunal time and will call tomorrow. Some retirement! ;D
Surely you enjoy holding council hands to the fire !
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I wish we can take a backup of your brain as a full-fledged AI like you see in the movies. For now, this is fiction.

Thanks again.

I have sent the details to the email ID as per your PM. Please let me know if you need anything else.
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