Author Topic: Havering 47J Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand, Station Road RM2  (Read 792 times)

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Hi there, PCN as follows: https://www.flickr.com/gp/159808924@N04/97uTp65EYa

GSV location as follows: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XYiuDsRQoqHYtFLY6

This incident occurred when I performed a u-turn having been parked for a short period in a legitimate drop-off point outside the station. I do this regularly, u-turns are permitted, as is passage through the bus stop when performing the u-turn.

However, on this occasion, somebody pulled up and parked in the bus stop, meaning my passage through was obstructed. I therefore needed to reverse up slightly to complete the manouvre. I'm providing this context so that, upon your review, my car isn't mistaken for the one already parked in the bus stop at the start, nor the black one that pulls in at the end.

Essentially I had no intent to stop in the bus stop and whilst my car stopped rolling for a second or two whilst transitioning from forward to reverse gears, I believe this is an unfair ticket and not in the spirit of the law which is to stop people using the bus stop as a parking or drop-off point. It was clear this was not my intent.

I feel compelled to appeal, but Havering doesn't offer an extended discount period if it rejects the appeal, so only want to appeal if I've got a good chance at tribunal. I sense that I have but would welcome the input of your experience and knowledge.

Many thanks,



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Clearly this is a driving manoeuvre and not a contravention although technically any stop is but I doubt they'd take you to the tribunal. I would make reps on this but draft something here first.

« Last Edit: June 17, 2025, 02:24:47 pm by stamfordman »

Looking at the video, I'd say you have an excellent chance of winning this one at adjudication. Havering are in top place for the most venal and rapacious council there is in London. You are making a traffic manoevre, the stop being nominal in order to complete your turn. The whole point of a restricted bus stop is to stop people stopping in them to board or alight passengers, not to penalise people making normal traffic manoevres.

looking at the video it looks like the car that was in contravention had a ghost number plate so the operator used yours you will win this albeit perhaps at tribunal

Just make an representation to the effect that you were in the process of performing a driving manoeuvre but had to revers slightly do to the parked car in front of you any slight stop was only the process of changing gear

Thank you all for your helpful replies. Please see below my proposed appeal for your review:

I hereby appeal this penalty charge on the grounds that the contravention did not occur.

Following my being temporarily stopped in one of the drop off & pick up bays on the opposite side of Station Road outside Gidea Park Station, I performed a traffic manoeuvre to turn the car around in the road in order to face in the opposite direction.

During performing the manoeuvre, I had to reverse slightly due to the parked car in front of me blocking my passage. This was a momentary and nominal stop, too minor to be of consequence, and purely to complete the manoeuvre.

A restricted bus stop is intended to stop people from stopping to board or alight passengers, and the video evidence clearly shows that was not the case for my vehicle. 

Please can you kindly cancel the charge.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2025, 03:37:21 pm by Buggslondon »

just bumping this in case it has been missed. Any feedback on the proposed appeal wording would be appreciated. Many thanks.

Looks OK - but I would remove this:

A restricted bus stop is intended to stop people from stopping to board or alight passengers, and the video evidence clearly shows that was not the case for my vehicle.

and instead say:

This is confirmed by your video which I trust you will review.

Thank you for the feedback.

I've gone on to make the appeal and have received the following message:

"Informal Challenge Denied
It would appear you have already been sent a Notice to Owner.  At this time you can only make a Formal Representation.

Please click here to make a Formal Representation.  You will need your web code which was supplied on the Notice to Owner."


My PCN isn't headed as a 'notice to owner' and I haven't received any other correspondence. Should I go ahead and make the formal representation, or has there been a procedural mishap on the part of the authority?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 10:34:50 am by Buggslondon »

I have just had a look at the Havering website, and on the page here : -
https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/2
There are two options, (1) If the PCN was left on the vehicle and (2) If the PCN was sent by post. Each of the two headings also say if it is for informal challenge, or formal representations.

Looks like you selected the wrong option
This is the page for your formal reps: -
https://parking.havering.gov.uk/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL

If you selected the wrong option then I suggest you might consider this alternative draft for your reps. The web code is in the PCN.

IMO, your argument is 'contravention did not occur'.

At ** on *** I was parked in *** facing towards *** having just ****, something which I do regularly. Equally regularly I execute a 180 and leave in the opposite direction.  Depending on surrounding vehicles, my position relative to the kerb and my steering angle I might need to drive through part of the bus stop.

On this occasion I had assessed the situation e.g. no bus in the bus stop etc. and had started my manoeuvre (off camera), having let a car pass me(the one which can be seen in the clearway) when this same car pulled into the clearway to stop and drop off a passenger(again, clearly seen in the video). Them committing a contravention by being stationary had the inevitable effect of causing me to have to stop in order to avoid a collision and therefore damaging property and potentially persons. Having done so, I immediately reversed and then drove forward. I would add that I did not wait for this car to move because I wanted to avoid being stationary any longer than was unavoidable.

Having set out the full facts, I would now refer the authority to paragraph 4 of Part 6 of Schedule 7 to the Traffic Signs etc. Regulations which provides:

Exceptions applicable to paragraphs 1 and 3 [the prohibition on stopping in a clearway]


(2) The prohibition in paragraphs 1(1) and 3 does not apply in respect of—

(b)a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order to avoid injury or damage to persons or property
;

The exception clearly applies in my case and therefore the PCN must be cancelled. If the authority do not and instead reject these representations then, given the comprehensive nature, clarity and relevance of my claim to the exemption you are obliged under your public law duties to put forward equally sound reasons which address the substance of the representations.

Thank you, what threw me was that they make reference to a 'notice to owner' but haven't sent me anything with that title.

Anyway, I've gone on and submitted my formal representations now on the basis of the above.

Thank you all for your help.

Hello, I've now received a rejection letter so will be going to tribunal. Is anyone able to help me craft my representation? Thank you

Here is the rejection: https://www.flickr.com/gp/159808924@N04/g7T02w00rh

I am happy to represent you and will PM you later this afternoon/evening. I note they justify their rejection by citing the Highway Code - not the law.  This is a ridiculous PCN.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2025, 10:09:17 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Looks like this is Havering’s favourite bus stop to enforce these, but yours really takes the cake in their ignorance and greed.

This may be of little use at this stage, but as someone pointed out in my tread, the location they use in their correspondence does not exists, as there is no Balgores Rd (only Balgores Ln).

Best of luck in your next dealing with them!

Well said. Just applauded you.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r