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Hi,

Literally exact same location, but like ~10 minutes apart. I sent in an appeal and they cancelled one of them on a goodwill gesture, but didn't cancel my other one, does this make sense? why cancel one but not both? unless they combined the 2 since they're so close together in time? what should i do? they've rejected the appeal on one but accepted the other. do i just pay the £65? i got the PCN for driving through a no motor vehicles sign twice i clearly aint see it lol.

the pcn is with barking & dagenham council, i cannot affort this pcn at all, is there a way i can contact someone to ask to pay the £65 by 28th June when I get a full months pay?

Thanks

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Post a copy of the PCN for us to look at if you want advice.  Only redact your name and address.  Depending on circumstances, you may be able to time your representations so that the discount is preserved and you can buy time until later June if the council don't reject immediately.

Please read this and update your post accordingly. At the moment we are completely in the dark so no meaningful advice can be given.

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Post a copy of the PCN for us to look at if you want advice.  Only redact your name and address.  Depending on circumstances, you may be able to time your representations so that the discount is preserved and you can buy time until later June if the council don't reject immediately.

This is everything so far.








@nonPCNenjoyer please post the remaining pages of the rejection letter (but not the tribunal appeal form).
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

@nonPCNenjoyer please post the remaining pages of the rejection letter (but not the tribunal appeal form).

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.
@nonPCNenjoyer well the wording of the notice of rejection might open avenues of appeal, for instance this occurred in Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London (2240018512, 12 February 2024).

The problem is these issues are always case-specific, without seeing the actual notice of rejection that you received we have no way of knowing whether the council messed things up in your particular case. We therefore need all sides of all pages of your notice of rejection.

It is very important with these things to keep all the paperwork for exactly this sort of reason. I suggest you try and find the missing paperwork.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.
@nonPCNenjoyer well the wording of the notice of rejection might open avenues of appeal, for instance this occurred in Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London (2240018512, 12 February 2024).

The problem is these issues are always case-specific, without seeing the actual notice of rejection that you received we have no way of knowing whether the council messed things up in your particular case. We therefore need all sides of all pages of your notice of rejection.

It is very important with these things to keep all the paperwork for exactly this sort of reason. I suggest you try and find the missing paperwork.

Hi,

Is this what you need, is there anything else? I have until the 5th to decide what to do or just pay it...



Page 2, please.
It seems they have not re-offered the discount, so it is now a no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs to pay.

Page 2, please.
It seems they have not re-offered the discount, so it is now a no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs to pay.

Hi,

The fine is still £65. It's not increased at all yet.

I don't get how they cancelled one PCN on a goodwill gesture, but not both.. :( But in the goodwill gesture letter they did say if they happened again they wouldn't cancel it, which it clearly has...

What should I do here? Clearly, I'm in the wrong. Is there anything else?

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.
@nonPCNenjoyer well the wording of the notice of rejection might open avenues of appeal, for instance this occurred in Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London (2240018512, 12 February 2024).

The problem is these issues are always case-specific, without seeing the actual notice of rejection that you received we have no way of knowing whether the council messed things up in your particular case. We therefore need all sides of all pages of your notice of rejection.

It is very important with these things to keep all the paperwork for exactly this sort of reason. I suggest you try and find the missing paperwork.

Hi,

Do you have any examples of what you mean by this second page? I cannot find it. Be easier to find it if I knew what it looked like.

Thanks

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.
@nonPCNenjoyer well the wording of the notice of rejection might open avenues of appeal, for instance this occurred in Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London (2240018512, 12 February 2024).

The problem is these issues are always case-specific, without seeing the actual notice of rejection that you received we have no way of knowing whether the council messed things up in your particular case. We therefore need all sides of all pages of your notice of rejection.

It is very important with these things to keep all the paperwork for exactly this sort of reason. I suggest you try and find the missing paperwork.

Hi,

Do you have any examples of what you mean by this second page? I cannot find it. Be easier to find it if I knew what it looked like.

Thanks

For what you have uploaded so far, it says page 1 of 8 and page 2 of 8.  So there are 6 more pages.  cp8759 has said not to include the tribunal pages which I think will probably be the last 4 pages.  So what's inbetween?  It may look like just standard wording to you, but the devil is in the detail and the guys on this website win so many cases on behalf of people based upon what is or is not included on those pages.  The more you share, the better.

I don't understand what more you want can you give an example? the letters are all lost so I'd have to find them now.
@nonPCNenjoyer well the wording of the notice of rejection might open avenues of appeal, for instance this occurred in Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London (2240018512, 12 February 2024).

The problem is these issues are always case-specific, without seeing the actual notice of rejection that you received we have no way of knowing whether the council messed things up in your particular case. We therefore need all sides of all pages of your notice of rejection.

It is very important with these things to keep all the paperwork for exactly this sort of reason. I suggest you try and find the missing paperwork.



Hi,

So this is the only letter I found that isn't the same as the others. I cannot find anymore at all.