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Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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Hi All,
I just received the attached PCN for being parked in a loading bay to receive a B&Q order. As there was no space immediately behind B&Q I had to park down the road, and then walk round to collect. I parked at 11:33 as can be evidenced by my GPS synchronized black box installed in my car by my insurance company to calculate miles, and returned at 11:37 to see the warden photographing my car! I immediately said i am loading and its not been even 4 mins, and he said "this is for commercial vehicles" and "check the PCN for the time stamp - i logged 5 mins!"- I said i just walked round for the B&Q order and its only just turned 5 mins now and he just told me that I can appeal.

What a joke. he must have been lurking and logged it the minute i walked out of the car and either he's falsified the time or his clock is obviously out of sync with my clock - either way we are arguing over 4/5 minutes in loading bay whilst actually loading!

What's the best way to appeal this one to get it shut down early? My experience with harrow is they take things all the way to tribunal even when they are obviously in the wrong.

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Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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Post-up a GSV link to the exact location, please. If the bay is only for goods vehicle loading, the sign must say so.

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sorry i dont know how to do that. but if you punch the details into the harrow website it shows the photos. it just says loading only. nothing about commercial vehicles.

Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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sorry i dont know how to do that. but if you punch the details into the harrow website it shows the photos. it just says loading only. nothing about commercial vehicles.
Please type in your reg number and PCN number;they are very difficult to read on your photo of the PCN.
Do you not know how to use GSV at all ?
Here is the parking bay at the back of B&Q : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pa1NbLPgPTiPKrjRA
So where where you parked on it ?

Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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PCN IY00811794
REG LL15VTK

I was parked down the other end near the shops where the deliveroo drivers hang around
the sign is the same as where u have it tho- loading only


Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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As you were returning to your vehicle at the end of loading, what were you carrying and was this noted by the CEO?

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Yes down to what was being loaded.




Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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OK, so you were loading pre-ordered goods from B & Q and the bay is at the back of pedestrianised St Anns Road on which B & Q lies. Your car was parked here, all spaces nearer St Annes Road being occupied : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z1XiqErN8p5iBz4i9

So you should submit representations that you were engaged in loading of pre-ordered goods bought from B & Q. It is important to emphasise "pre-ordered' because just going shopping and leaving one's car in a loading bay fails the test of "loading".  You will need to state that on returning to your car, you spoke to the CEO and explained that you had collected goods and were now loading them into your car.  DOn't be put-off by council tosh that usually says "loading must be continuous and the vehicle attended". This is total tosh and they know it. HOwever, they will automatically send you a FOb-Off letter because they know that >95% of people then cough-up to get the discount. You should also put in that the CEO told you the bay was for commercial vehicles, which is also complete tosh. This CEO needs a training refresher !

There may also be a 'technical' appeal argument based on Harrow mismanagement of the enforcement process, incl. fatal errors in their web pages for paying and submitting reps.  Our Hippocrates is something of an expert in these and has a few, (nay, a lot of !!), council scalps to show for it.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2025, 11:26:50 pm by Incandescent »

Re: Harrow PCN in Loading bay while loading !!
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Hi
Yes I was loading pre-ordered garden furniture goods from B&Q - i do have the order as proof but it just says collect within 7 days so not sure how good the evidence is for the exact time and date. I also have my by miles black bow saying i parked at 11:33 and not 11:31 - i swear i could see the CEO out with his device while i was indicating left to pull in so altho i can never be sure, he may even have punched the start time before i actually stopped OR there was a discrepancy between his clock and mine.
I dont think there will be any dispute on the return time of 11:37 because in the last photo u can actually see my lights are on as i had opened the car to allow loading.
The slight complication of the story was because i had parked down the end of the road, i went round to B&Q and told them look im parked down the road - can u please help bring out the furniture thre as i cant carry it, so when i ran back to the  car it was to open the boot for the B&Q man to follow me and load, ie i was not carrying the goods - so maybe thats why he thought i wasnt loading but not really as hed already issued the ticket! i explained that i just came back to tell B&Q man to come now and he can see if he waits and he just wasnt interested saying its commercial vehicles and if im collecting from B&Q to just appeal.

Questions: I will put my appeal as above, but am i entitled to ask for photos for the start time of observation?? It was definitely only 4 mins according to my clock when i returned to open the boot or actually is that irrelevant as all i have to say is that i was waiting to load?


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You parked and left your car.
The CEO saw the locked car in a Loading Only bay without any signs of loading.
They observed then issued a PCN.

All perfectly proper.

You then returned and saw and engaged with the CEO to whom you said that the load was being brought to the car imminently and would they please wait to witness this so that it could be added to their notes.

They declined.

?? How long after this was the load delivered and what did it comprise i.e. pl expand on 'garden furniture'.

Seems pretty straightforward if your account is correct and you can evidence taking possession of the goods on the day -they'll have a record even if you don't.

IMO, why would you ask the CEO to wait if nothing was going to be loaded. You'd have looked rather foolish, wouldn't you! I suspect that even if the authority rejects your reps, an adjudicator would buy the story, but you'd need some evidence, so pl post what you have and if nothing to record taking possession on the day then contact the store.

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Photos of the goods and their weight should be included in your reps, as well as a copy of the payment record, and anything else proving the goods were pre-ordered and then collected a few days later.

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It was 2 garden deck chairs (bulky rather than heavy) - i have the order confirmation from the previous day giving me 7 days to collect.

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IMO, you should still present evidence of taking possession on the day. If you don't have it then contact the store.

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and the loading was just a few mintues after the conversation with the warden and left shortly after. my by miles black box said the next journey started at 11:43 so that was 6 minutes after the PCn was issued.

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actually i have an email sent on the day saying the order was collected (but the order date was the previous day)- is this good enough, or u mean a specific collection receipt with date and time. I can try contacting them when they open tomo.