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Hi, advice needed... I bought a Japanese imported car. When I tried to get a parking permit for it - since permits are priced according to emissions, my car didn't have any emissions info, therefore the council (Harrow) defaulted to the most expensive bracket.

I disputed this as being unfair and sent like for like comparisons of my car from auto trader proving the emissions were lower, as well as recent mot certificate with emissions info - they claimed the format was wrong.

As this was in discussion, Harrow Council were responding every 2 weeks to emails, always dismissive and using the argument that if they changed the bracket for me it would be unfair on other residents, somehow. At one point they offered to sell me a permit slightly lower but not at the correct rate and told me I'd need to contact bmw for an official emissions report (£250) which somewhat defeats the purpose of the argument.

Anyway, as this went in for several weeks, and with very sporadic replies to countless emails I sent, in the meantime I received two parking fines for parking outside my own home without a valid parking permit!

I appealed them but they were dismissed. I then bought the more expensive permit to cut the discussion short as I didn't want more fines, I wasn't getting anywhere and they weren't replying at all at this point. I tried calling also but that didn't work.

On principle I now want to go to court and fight these two tickets, I have all the emails showing how slow they were to reply and how they didn't give me a temporary permit whilst we were clearly in the midst of discussing my predicament.

I have received the 28 days  double fee £140 letter now stating I can do a representation on grounds that I feel are compelling.

Any assistance on the above would be gratefully received, thank you!
« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 11:42:51 am by Eits1000 »

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Sorry, no good without some hard info. So please read this and update your thread accordingly.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

It sounds like you have the Notice to Owner for each PCN. You must respond to these, or it's game over. Just submit your original reps again, but updated with our help. There is no "court"; appeals are dealt with at London Tribunals.

Beaten to this by Incandescent.

Pl post(using external site) at least one PCN(if they're for the same contravention at the same location), both sides, your challenge, their rejection and a NTO. GSV to the exact location would be useful.

Also, pl explain: 'I bought a Japanese imported car and when it came to renewing my parking permit'.

Do you mean 'when it came to getting a permit', after all you weren't renewing for the Japanese car?

I have added the reply I got to y appeal (appeal was exactly as above) as well as the notice to owner.

To Clarify I wanted to buy a new parking permit after purchasing a Japanese imported car thst didn't have emissions data on file. The Harrow Council website immediately. Defaulted to a ridiculously high bracket because of this.

Both appeals were exactly the same and both reply letters from the council were exactly the same.

As you can see they completely deny there was any issue with my permit nor any discussions ongoing. I have all the email threads so that's a complete lie. I assumed the formal representation means I can go to court and show the judge the emails showing how dismissive and slow to respond they were. That is not "putting residents first" on my view. I got ticketed outside my own home! And I've held a permit for many years.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 11:23:27 am by Eits1000 »

Can anyone help with my appeal? Isnit pretty straight forward? Or are there any tips and tricks?

Can anyone help with my appeal? Isnit pretty straight forward? Or are there any tips and tricks?
No it's not straightforward, I'm afraid. And as this is the Bank Holiday weekend, you'll probably not get much until Tuesday next week. We'll have to read all the documents to see what the score is, until then, enjoy your bank holiday.

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Please post the emails, and any other info, incl the make and model of the car.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 12:22:03 pm by Incandescent »

The problem as I see it is you should have bought a permit at the higher rate and then established a lower rate and a refund.

But let's all the materials and timings.

Yes I take your point but thays not always the obvious thing to do when you're normally used to paying £75 and suddenly being asked for £150. As a matter of principle one tends to object and ask for the council to reconsider based on the objections. As one of their own residents and council tax payers one would expect thst as a minimum, I'm my opinion.

And when I sent them proof of a like for like car model clearly showing emissions on the lower bracket their arguments for not accepting thst were really poor - saying the format needs to come from an official source otherwise it would be unfair on other residents and would set a president.

Normally the council issue temporary permits whilst conversations are taking place.

Their response to my appeal says there were no emails which baffles me and tells me there are grounds for dismissal. Thank you for your help uts greatly appreciated.

Our resident parking permit here in Hackney is £455...

Did you or they mention a temporary permit as that seems to be the obvious interim solution.

As it stands you are trying to get them to cancel on administrative grounds not that the contraventions didn't occur, and the tribunal can't apply mitigation although it can allow an appeal if the council didn't follow its policy in dealing with this and/or you were led to believe enforcement was on hold while the permit was sorted.

Yes that is correct - administrative grounds, I am after all a resident of the council and issues should be sorted when they arise. It is a fact that my parking permit needed renewing and had run out, it is the second year that this dispute has been running. The last time exactly the same thing happened and they cancelled two parking tickets once I had purchased a permit.

I definitely want to contest this out of principle and because I provided what I feel is legitimate proof that my cars Emissions fall into the lower bracket. If I'd bought the permit at the high price I had zero faith that they would have refundede the difference once I'd provided proof since they dismissed the proof I'd already sent them. I also feel that paying £250 for a form frpm bmw is totally unfair.

And yes, I wrongly believed /hoped that enforcement would be on hold whilst this discussion was taking place.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 05:01:09 pm by Eits1000 »

Hi, I wondered if someone could advise on the process and any tips and tricks when making this final appeal? From what is written above do I have a case to at least try my luck? Also if I lose are there any implications or do I still pay £140 and that's the end of it?

Any input gratefully received.

All that is at risk at adjudication is the PCN penalty (£140). There are no other costs, and no possibility of a CCJ.

So any tips on how to go about this appeal?

Checking your car registration on the PCN shows it as a BMW 320, so this would have been exported to Japan, who drive on the left like us, and then, presumably, it has been imported to the UK from Japan. The process to import would also have to include the importer obtaining the relevant emissions data so that the vehicle can be correctly placed for the VED level. Where did you obtain this car from ?

I got the car from a private dealer. It had no UK registration as it was from Japan and after registering it I had no emissions info connected to the car...