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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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this is good, right?

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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this is good, right?
Yes. Can be used later.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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Hello again @Hippocrates!

I, predictably, received the NoR this morning. Please see the complete document scanned, attached.

What do you suggest our next step is?

FYI @Bustagate



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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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The NoR contains the porkies which Harrow now know are porkies:
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Please be advised that the signage at the location is on both sides of the road, and in accordance with The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
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There are directional white arrows on the road to give motorists guidance as to the lane they should be travelling in.
I'll produce a further document similar to the one about the TMO highlighting Harrow's failure to respond to my challenge at my son's hearing to the signage's compliance with TSRGD 2016 and to Harrow's misuse of deflection arrows.

The deflection arrows (diagram 1014) are warning signs. TSRGD prescribes them for use only in advance of specific other signs. In the absence of those signs (and they're not present on Camrose Avenue) these arrows can only be placed on the carriageway with permission from DfT. They are NOT directional signs.

I am disturbed that Harrow are peddling known falsehoods. At my son's hearing they were merely ignorant. Now they're duplicitous.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2025, 10:05:59 pm by Bustagate »
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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Thanks @Bustagate - look forward to reviewing it

@Hippocrates I'm sure this will be helpful

Keen to determine next steps on this. Thanks all

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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Just bumping this please @Hippocrates and @Bustagate thanks!

Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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OMG I have a PCN on at this section too....I will be reading everyone's posts to contest it..

The news article from 2023 shows that the Harrow Council makes £1.8M just fro this one road !!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64394656


According to the Department for Transport Statutory guidance for Transport Management Act:
Local authorities should design their bus lane and moving traffic policies with particular regard to:
•   managing the traffic network to ensure expeditious movement of traffic

•   enable buses to bypass traffic queues and provide a substantial time saving for passengers

•   should consider all sections of the community

•   fair and appropriate enforcement of these restrictions

•   the purpose of penalty charges is to persuade motorists to comply

•   raising revenue should not be an objective of civil enforcement of bus lane or moving traffic contraventions, nor should authorities set targets for revenue or the number of PCNs they issue.

•   a local authority has discretion to cancel a PCN at any point throughout the enforcement process. It can do this if the authority deems it to be appropriate in the circumstances of the case. Under general principles of public law, authorities have a duty to act fairly and proportionately.

•   local authorities are encouraged to exercise discretion sensibly and reasonably and with due regard to the public interest.

•    local authorities should approach the exercise of discretion objectively and without regard to any financial interest in the penalty or decisions that may have been taken at an earlier stage in proceedings.

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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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Just bumping this please @Hippocrates and @Bustagate thanks!
I have been rather busy with cases of late. I am out all day but I'll have a think and get back tonight hopefully.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Harrow Camrose Avenue Bus Gate 33E (April 2025)
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Hey  @Hippocrates

I'm 50/50 right now whether to cough up while I have the discount period... what do you reckon?