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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 07, 2023, 11:50:23 am
Well I've already asked for the suspension logs so we might as well wait and see what comes back. In the meantime a representation will see the discount extended, so I suggest you send something in. Post a draft on here first.

I am so sorry. I didn't see your reply as I didn't get an email that there was a new message.

I noticed I was on the 14th days so I appealed 3 weeks ago. I actually missed the deadline as my appeal was posted at
00:00, missing the deadline by less than 60 seconds!

I appealed based on having a medical appointment, having permits attached and also the fact that my car was between 2 posts and only 1 had a sign with details so I assumed I was parked in a safe area.

The rejected the appeal today but will allow me to pay £65 if paid within 2 weeks. Maybe they took pity on me missing the deadline by 29 seconds.

I'm thinking it would be best to pay the £65.

Any advice would be appreciated and I am really sorry about the late reply.
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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@ltn_hell you need to tick the "Notify me of replies" box when you next post a reply if you want to receive email notifications every time someone responds.

For now post up:

1) A copy of your representations, and
2) The rejection letter in full, all sides of all pages, just redact your postal address.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 29, 2023, 02:54:05 pm
@ltn_hell you need to tick the "Notify me of replies" box when you next post a reply if you want to receive email notifications every time someone responds.

Thank you, I have done this now.

Quote from: cp8759 on October 29, 2023, 02:54:05 pm
@ltn_hell
For now post up:

1) A copy of your representations, and
2) The rejection letter in full, all sides of all pages, just redact your postal address.

Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of my appeal as I was rushing to appeal.

I have attached a copy of the PDF that was attached to their rejection.

Again, thanks for any help.

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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #18 on: »
If you don't have a copy, re-create your representation from memory as best you can.

Obviously all you can do at this point is wait for the notice to owner, as long as you challenge it within 14 days the council will reoffer the discount if they issue a rejection.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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From memory, something like this.

I would like to appeal this PCN for the following reasons:

1. I was running late for a doctors appointment due to heavy traffic and I didn't notice that I had parked in a suspended bay.
2. As I was unaware of the suspension, I had displayed a valid resident visitor permit.
3. I was parked as close to a post without a sign as the post displaying a sign. For this reason, I believed I wasn't parked in a suspended bay.
4. I have never received a PCN from Haringey before.

For the above reasons, I would be grateful for some leniency and hope that this PCN can be cancelled.
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #20 on: »
Let us know as soon as you get the notice to owner please.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #21 on: »
Suspension logs / records:























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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #22 on: »
Thank you so much for all your kind help. I will wait for the Notice To Owner and post here.

Will the discount definitely be offered if I respond to the Notice To Owner within 14 days?

Also, do you think the appeal has a good chance?

Thanks again.
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #23 on: »
Informal challenges, (your reps against the PCN), normally get a Fob-Off letter, because the councils know that most people then just cough-up. Ony reps against NtOs get any real sort of consideration.
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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Quote from: ltn_hell on November 10, 2023, 11:09:56 am
Will the discount definitely be offered if I respond to the Notice To Owner within 14 days?
I can't think of a single authority in London that doesn't reoffer the discount in these circumstances.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #25 on: »
I received the Notice to Owner yesterday.

Do I now challenge? It seems the challenge is to Haringey council.

Thanks
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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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Quote from: ltn_hell on November 18, 2023, 10:07:29 am
I received the Notice to Owner yesterday.

Do I now challenge? It seems the challenge is to Haringey council.
Yes, the notice to owner must be challenged or else you automatically lose.

Firstly please post up all sides of all pages of the NTO so that we can check for errors.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
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+1
Absolutely MUST, MUST MUST
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« Reply #28 on: »
Please find attached Notice to Owner.

Thanks again

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Re: Haringey PCN - Code 21(I) Parked in a suspended bay - La Rose Lane
« Reply #29 on: »
I am a fan of consistency so would simply repeat the same challenge as before. As you are unsure of your words you could simply ask the council to reconsider the informal challenge, in particular as to the inadequate signage.

I'm happy to deal with the tribunal Appeal if you get rejected again.
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