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HAVERING - CODE 31 YELLOW BOX - ROM VALLEY WAY
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My wife was driving our car and entered a yellow box and received a PCN for code 31 "Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited" but if you watch the video I don't think she was every truly stationary.

Should I appeal this?

Evidence: https://imgpile.com/p/MU1sj1M

Thank you

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Just to note that the video stops before your wife has fully left the box, but I agree that the video shows no stop at all in the whole video. So submit representations based on no stopping occurred in the box.

You'll get the usual Fob-Off letter, so if you want to stand your ground, you'll need to register an appeal at London Tribunals.  Havering do not re-offer the discount when rejecting representations, so if you submit them, it is a total no-brainer to register an appeal with London Tribunals, because only the PCN penalty is at risk, there are no additional costs, and, of course, if you win, you pay nothing, but Havering will have had the PITA of preparing an evidence pack and also paying the adjudication fee.

The alternative is to cough-up now, and join the Mugged CLub.

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If that video is the entirety of the council footage, then it doesn't show a contravention.

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My wife was driving our car and entered a yellow box and received a PCN for code 31 "Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited" but if you watch the video I don't think she was every truly stationary.

Should I appeal this?

Evidence: https://imgpile.com/p/MU1sj1M

Thank you

WAIT please.  Go to their website and see what the grounds are. I have a major complaint against them at present re possible JR.

Screenshot everything. Back later with a comprehensive draft which will address the alleged contravention plus technical issues.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2026, 10:12:11 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Thank you very much for your advise.

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Thank you for your help and reply

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PM tomorrow. Please do the website homework. All of it including the caveat box to tick re £5000 fine. My own is pending in June.

The Strand is looming. It cannot possibly be the intention of Parliament for councils to publish incorrect information on their websites which contradict the statutory documents/process.

I have just applauded you for joining the fight. I only wish the other 99% would do so too.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 09:46:47 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"