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Appreciate that CP - as of this morning there has still been no evidence provided by the council
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Quote from: Hodor51 on November 27, 2023, 09:39:00 am
Appreciate that CP - as of this morning there has still been no evidence provided by the council

The clock is ticking.  You should also receive their pack direct from them, of course. Glad you are potentially getting cp involved.  :)
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Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
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Quote from: Hodor51 on November 27, 2023, 09:39:00 am
Appreciate that CP - as of this morning there has still been no evidence provided by the council
You'll have to check every day between now and Friday.
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Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #48 on: »
Thanks again. Nothing still having checked on the appellant portal this morning. I'm not relying on the pack getting to me by post as having local issues with the Royal Mail and post delivery being delayed by a number of days.
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« Reply #49 on: »
There used to be/still is? a practice direction about evidence being filed less than 3 days before a hearing and subsequent decisions.  Even less than 4 days before the hearing.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
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Morning, just check the appellant portal again this morning and I've still not received anything in the post and nothing further has been uploaded to the portal itself. No further emails have been received either in relation to the tribunal scheduled to take place tomorrow.

I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything here? I'm looking in all the right places and there isn't anywhere else where the council may have sent their evidence pack to?

Thanks
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« Reply #51 on: »
Call the Tribunal and ask if the council have adduced their evidence.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 01, 2023, 12:52:31 pm
Call the Tribunal and ask if the council have adduced their evidence.

Just got off the phone, the person I spoken to told me that she had rang reception and that the person there had said that this might be a "no evidence case" but couldn't guarantee it. They are going to look into it more and I've been told that they will ring me back and update me once they find out any more information.
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I was just contacted back by the tribunals office and was told the following:

- The hearing will go ahead
- The Council have provided no evidence and the adjudicator will make a decision based on my evidence alone (photos of the signs within sight of my vehicle and my representations)
- I don't need to attend unless I want to
- I will be informed of the outcomes within 1 working day of the decision being made

Any advice?

**edit** Just received another phone call from the LTO from another member of staff (16:50) confirming that the council hasn't provided evidence, and the adjudication will go ahead as normal with no requirement for me to attend. They even said the outcome does look favourable to me but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

I'll wait for a response from this forum before making a decision to attend or not.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2023, 04:55:24 pm by Hodor51 »
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Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #54 on: »
Dear all,

Pleased to confirm that following attendance at  the hearing this morning, the adjudicator has confirmed that as the council failed to provide any evidence, they're upholding my appeal!

Thanks all that supported and gave advice! I can now enjoy my weekend and glad to no longer have this hanging over me
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Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #55 on: »
I would apply for costs actually.  See what cp says.  If he disagrees, I am happy to make an application on your behalf. No cost or risk involved.

This is just another example of a council not adducing evidence, forcing one to go to the Tribunal and I say this conduct meets the threshold of wholly unreasonable.  Barking and Dagenham are another.

I bet you were in and out in 3 minutes!?

Well done for sticking with it.  ;)
« Last Edit: December 02, 2023, 11:13:43 am by Hippocrates »
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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