Author Topic: Haringey, code 62 parked with one or more wheels on footpath, Weir Hall Road N17  (Read 1289 times)

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If you look at GSV - albeit 1 year ago - the road is replete with footway parking signs, none of which refer to markings and some which even face the wrong way. But above all, every marked area on the footway is a parking place with associated traffic signs(albeit they show the permitted sign for two wheels when the whole parking place in on the footway!), but then some have the 'end of footway parking' signs, but these aren't needed when the permission is not blanket but limited to parking places(for which a TMO would suffice, providing it was in sufficient detail).

It's a b****y mess.

But exactly how much of this bears upon the OP's situation?

OP, you live there so we need need up to date photos e.g. the parking place in which you were partly parked, the signs beyond and before of the form white on blue showing a car parked on a pavement - see the traffic sign in the parking place etc.

I can't remember the exact route but it was either the following routes:
- White Hart Lane N17 onto to Weir Hall Road N17
- Oak Avenue N17 onto to Weir Hall Road N17
- Wilbury Way N18 / Lansbury Way N18 onto Wir Hall road N17
To the best of your recollection, which one was it? If you think that driving the various routes might jog your memory, do that.

@CP - I'm a little confused - route for a footway parking offence?
Yep, it can be crucial.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

The route taken could show which signs may have been passed

Hey, I believe I came from Wilbury Way

I can confirm the parking signs on GSV are the same as currently.

I’ve attached pictures to show this:
Red is the sign closest to where the vehicle was parked
Blue is the sign closest to White Hart Lane
And Yellow/Gold is the sign closest to Wilbury Way

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OK, but are there any of the following outside the parking places?

Part 2 to Schedule 7, Items 12-17 (14 and 15 modified to read In Marked Bays)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made

There is a sign here https://maps.app.goo.gl/xzFj1mgKzDxvD54y9 but that's coming from the opposite directions.

Google street view might be out of date, can you please retrace your route and confirm whether you would have passed any such signs?

If not, we can still construct an argument based on signs being in the area but obviously if we can show that you actually passed one, it would be a stronger argument.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Hi, there are none of those signs outside the parking spot. There are only the signs I attached previously

OP-----have we seen the PCN or the pound documents yet?

We are dealing with a tow which appears predicated upon the vehicle being beyond the footway markings.

If the Council had issued a DYL contravention they would IMO be justified in towing the vehicle but they haven't. So we are left with a footway parking contravention which puting it in the worst possible light is a de minimis infraction which does not justify the tow.

In addition to allow footway parking in London the Council must,by Resolution, indicate which parts of the footway can be used. More often the Council specifies a whole street not just parts of the pavement.

Members are concentrating on the signs in place which may be valid or not. Footway parking alongside school zig zags is novel but only exacerbates the b****y mess that HCA perceives.

The main sign leaves a lot to be desired:-

https://maps.app.goo.gl/exh9v2TprkfXV9bbA

Can I take it you are a TED permit holder?

Mike

Hi Mike. Thank you for the explanation! It was very useful. In my earlier posts I have attached the tow and PCN documents. I am a TED permit holder indeed!

In terms of appealing the PCN and Tow, what would be the best justification?

In terms of appealing the PCN and Tow, what would be the best justification?
There is a sign here https://maps.app.goo.gl/xzFj1mgKzDxvD54y9 but that's coming from the opposite directions.

Google street view might be out of date, can you please retrace your route and confirm whether you would have passed any such signs?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Hi, to my recollection I came from Wilbury Way but could also possibly could have come from White Hart Lane, given I did/do multiple trips in a day. In terms of the best argument, which direction should we presume I came from and how should I structure my appeal please!

Also I can confirm the GSV signs are not out of date in regards to parking!

CP8759 is probably thinking about signs saying marked bays only but I have a different approach, the paperwork given out at the pound.

I do not see that Helpneededthis has been given a document which tells me how and when to make representations against the tow and the PCN.

Helpneededthis, please do not separate the pages, leave them stapled together just as they are, I will want the originals to take to the tribunal, as Haringey are bound to reject representations.

I would like to make your representations so please email me at mrmustard@zoho.com (CP8759 won't mind, we work together in the background).
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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@Helpneededthis I suggest you take up Mr Mustard's offer.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

I'm on the case. There was no representations form handed to the person who recovered the vehicle, that is a clear procedural impropriety.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.