Author Topic: Haringey, code 02(a) temporary traffic order, Wroxham Gardens, parked while restructions in force  (Read 1457 times)

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I park my car on Wroxham Gardens in Haringey, which is a about a 3-4 min walk from where I live because (i) there are no parking restrictions, (ii) there is always space, (iii) it's dead-end some no through traffic to damage car, and (iv) I rarely use my car, so it's a safe, convenient place to leave it.


I parked there sometime 2 July (looking at when I last used ringo to park somewhere else) and hadn’t used it until yesterday 12 July. When I collected it had been moved to the other side of the road - and there were two PCNs attached to it.


Looking at the evidence online, there was a suspension of park on 7 and 8 July. In the evidence pictures there are clearly signs, I didn’t see them when I parked, but assume they were there (I think reversed into the spot, so missed the sign behind he car which would have been obscured by another car, then got out driver side and cut across the road towards the park path)


I suspect there isn’t much grounds for appeal (Haringey have the ringo parking data so know I parked there on 2 July or later) for leaving the car there but would the second ticket be a continuous contravention  and worth appealing?



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The problem is that you leave your car for long periods without checking on it and whether there are any parking suspensions. In this case, because there are no parking restrictions at all, the council have to make a Temporary Traffic Regulation Order, and put this up on the local lamp posts some days before the TTRO comes into effect. 7 days is regarded as normal.

I suggest you submit reps on the first PCN that your car was parked legally when you parked it, therefore no contravention occurred. You note that the council moved your car to another part of the street and that is surely the only action they should have taken.

You submit rep for the second PCN on the grounds that a PCN was served to the car on <date> and this one on <date. but the notice suspending the parking is over several days, therefore it was a continuing contravention therefore a single PCN suffices.

That they didn't move the car on day 1 is IMO also a strong defence. In other words you shouldn't have available to you the argument that it was a continuous contravention because the car should have been moved on day 1! Why wait until after PCN 2 was issued before moving, after all the prohibition only lasted 2 days. 

PCN 1, move the car, everyone's happy(ish)! Certainly happier than issue 2 PCNs then move.   

Thank you both, I'm going to to give that a go and will let you know how I get on. Very much appreciate the advice.

I think that the problem in this case is with the traffic order. Haringey have enacted one which they think enables them to suspend parking in any road at any time for an 18 month period. Thus they create one order and only pay one fee to advertise it thus avoiding all those little weekly announcements you used to see in the local paper and all the fees. Motorists are therefore not on proper notice of upcoming works. I have never yet got as far as the tribunal with this argument.

I am happy to write and submit all the challenges for the OP but have slightly changed the charity system. I still work pro bono (for free) but ask motorists to pay £40 directly to the North London Hospice before I start. I can be emailed on mrmustard@zoho.com

I think both of these PCNs are beatable given the correct approach. I am well known in Haringey Parking.
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I am currently too busy working to take on any except the most unreasonable PCNs.

I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

I think that the problem in this case is with the traffic order. Haringey have enacted one which they think enables them to suspend parking in any road at any time for an 18 month period. Thus they create one order and only pay one fee to advertise it thus avoiding all those little weekly announcements you used to see in the local paper and all the fees. Motorists are therefore not on proper notice of upcoming works. I have never yet got as far as the tribunal with this argument.

I am happy to write and submit all the challenges for the OP but have slightly changed the charity system. I still work pro bono (for free) but ask motorists to pay £40 directly to the North London Hospice before I start. I can be emailed on mrmustard@zoho.com

I think both of these PCNs are beatable given the correct approach. I am well known in Haringey Parking.
Okay, I'm up for this giving this a punt! I'll drop you an email.

Quick update. Appeals were lodged at the tribunal on 12 October and yesterday Haringey Council 'Do not contested' them both and cancelled the PCNs accordingly. Persistence pays.
I am currently too busy working to take on any except the most unreasonable PCNs.

I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

 I just wanted to say a public thank you to Mr Mustard here. His advice and judgement throughout this protracted appeal have been absolutely spot on. Haringey ignore the facts of their own evidence and repeatedly made things up (and imaginary enforcement protocol, anyone?), it appears to scare me into paying. Mr Mustard was certain they would fold eventually and they did. It also meant I got make a small donation to the North London Hospice, which was pleasure and a million time more satisfying then paying Haringey’s speculative PCNs.