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Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
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Hi everyone,

I was in a hired vehicle when I nearly drove into a school street. I literally passed the sign a little and realised it’s restricted at that time and stopped immediately. I then reversed back and took another route. Sadly, I still received a PCN. Hackney very cheekily showed the video of the alledge contravention but cut off the video showing I reverse back. The video shows me driving into the road and stopping just after the sign. They then sadly cut off the video. In my appeal I stated I didn’t drive into the street and that the full video should show this to be the case. They still rejected my appeal and issued the below NOR.

NOR Letter:

https://ibb.co.com/9mRVNdbY

I’m pretty confident the contravention did not occur. Do I have a case?
« Last Edit: December 19, 2025, 09:55:49 pm by Sherin »

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Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #1 on: »
Sadly once you've gone past the signs the contravention is solid and the tribunal can't apply mitigation - only Hackney can and they want your cash.

Another issue is the signage as signs are set well back but you were coming at this head on. I'll check the register for other cases. 

If you do take it to the tribunal there is a chance they won't contest but slim with this council.

I'm not aware of paperwork/website issues with Hackney but if you post the PCN we can have a look.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2025, 11:45:20 pm by stamfordman »

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #2 on: »
Another money-grubbing PCN from Hackney.

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #3 on: »
Check the website dates.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #4 on: »
Sadly once you've gone past the signs the contravention is solid and the tribunal can't apply mitigation - only Hackney can and they want your cash.

Another issue is the signage as signs are set well back but you were coming at this head on. I'll check the register for other cases. 

If you do take it to the tribunal there is a chance they won't contest but slim with this council.

I'm not aware of paperwork/website issues with Hackney but if you post the PCN we can have a look.



How on earth is that legal or fair? The restriction is in place to prevent cars driving THROUGH the street during school start/finish hours. Just because I’ve driven slightly passed the street doesn’t mean I’ve contravened? Makes no sense

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #5 on: »
It's the same type of contravention as passing a no entry sign, as per the case below (although that was a tough adjudicator).

The rejection acknowledges you reversed but says they have a 'statutory obligation to enforce in such situations'. Now while they are granted a statutory right to enforce, I'd say the way they have worded this fetters discretion as it implies they cannot use discretion.

See what others say.

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Case reference   2250391261
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Waltham Forest
VRM   EN18WKJ
   
PCN Details
PCN   FR65900605
Contravention date   27 Jun 2025
Contravention time   21:04:00
Contravention location   Wellington Road
Penalty amount   GBP 160.00
Contravention   Failing to comply with a no entry sign
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   11 Dec 2025
Adjudicator   Michael Burke
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   The allegation in this case is failing to comply with a “No Entry” sign. The Appellant does not dispute this but says that this was a genuine error. He was attending to elderly family and unfamiliar with the location. As soon as he realised his error he reversed out.
The signage relied upon can be seen in the enforcement camera evidence, a “No Entry” sign on either side of the carriageway, with the message reinforced by the legend ““NO ENTRY” in large white letters painted on the road surface. I am satisfied the signage relied upon was substantially compliant, clear and adequate.
The enforcement camera evidence shows the vehicle committing the contravention. The Appellant is seen to stop beyond the “No Entry” signs, apparently in response to a signal from a bicyclist. He then begins to reverse. However, it is not possible to undo a contravention once committed and this contravention is complete once the vehicle passes the “No Entry” signs.
The Appellant has not established anything which goes beyond mitigation. The Enforcement Authority may cancel a PCN as a matter of their discretion. An Adjudicator has no power to direct cancellation on the basis of mitigating circumstances.
Having considered all the evidence I am satisfied that the contravention occurred and that the PCN was properly issued and served. I am not satisfied that any exemption applies.

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
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OP, you have the absolute right in law to take them to London Tribunals for the case to be decided. Hackney are hardly unbiased as they keep your money if you pay-up. However, you must risk the full PCN penalty, but that is all, there are no additional costs. Success would much depend on the adjudicator you get, as some are very pedantic, whereas others to look at the severity of the contravention. I was an adjudicator I would agree that the alleged offence is de minimis

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #7 on: »
As I said, check the website dates.  This one* is close to my heart and the contents are true despite my placing it in the Humour Thread.

*

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/humour-thread/msg102419/#msg102419

I'll do a draft if you like.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #8 on: »
As I said, check the website dates.  This one* is close to my heart and the contents are true despite my placing it in the Humour Thread.

*

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/humour-thread/msg102419/#msg102419

I'll do a draft if you like.

I’m not sure I follow? What dates are you referring to?

This is what mine says:

“The amount outstanding on the PCN is £160.00, and will increase to £240.00 on Thu, 1 Jan 2026. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £80.00. This offer expires on Wed, 31 Dec 2025. Please pay £80.00 now.”

These dates are all over the place. NOR was issued on 15/12/25 so how can it increase to £240 on 1st Jan 26? Is this what you’re referring to?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2025, 07:05:26 pm by Sherin »

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #9 on: »
Simple mathematics. Are the dates re increase correct?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2025, 07:20:31 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #10 on: »
Simple mathematics. Are he dates re increase correct?

Legend! Lol ;D  ;D

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #11 on: »
Simple mathematics. Are he dates re increase correct?

Legend! Lol ;D  ;D
What is the actual date of the NOR? Did you receive it by post? If so, when? Did they send you a copy first by e mail? These are important questions and you need to keep a very close eye on the discount expiry date on the website. PM sent. What did you write to them?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2025, 07:29:52 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #12 on: »
Simple mathematics. Are he dates re increase correct?

Legend! Lol ;D  ;D
What is the actual date of the NOR? Did you receive it by post? If so, when? Did they send you a copy first by e mail? These are important questions and you need to keep a very close eye on the discount expiry date on the website. PM sent. What did you write to them?

Email first then postal letter. Same letter came through the post that was sent via email. Both dated 15/12/2025. Letter arrived on 19/12 through post.

I wrote that the contravention did not occur and had they shown the whole
Video they’d see that I stopped and then reversed back and went another route.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2025, 08:23:47 pm by Sherin »

Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #13 on: »
I will PM you tomorrow.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Hackney school street PCN - Daubeney Road E5
« Reply #14 on: »
Are the wrong dates on the website a slam dunk at tribunal?