Author Topic: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.  (Read 815 times)

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Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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What was your challenge? You should have posted a draft here first.

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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The sign is unfathomable IMO.

If what's in the lower panel is supposed to apply to solo m/c only then there shouldn't be a separating black line and there isn't a restriction on a Sunday.

But if the bay is restricted on Sundays then the sign means solo m/c only 24/7 but then what's the purpose of the hours in the lower panel?

What's option three?  Solo m/c 24/7 but shared use as per the lower panel?

IMO, it is not solo m/c with permits otherwise what's intended ..solo m/c permit holders or P&D for the hours stated and then any old m/c outside these hours and Sundays???


Can't wait to see the traffic order.

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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The sign is unfathomable IMO.

If what's in the lower panel is supposed to apply to solo m/c only then there shouldn't be a separating black line and there isn't a restriction on a Sunday.

But if the bay is restricted on Sundays then the sign means solo m/c only 24/7 but then what's the purpose of the hours in the lower panel?

What's option three?  Solo m/c 24/7 but shared use as per the lower panel?

IMO, it is not solo m/c with permits otherwise what's intended ..solo m/c permit holders or P&D for the hours stated and then any old m/c outside these hours and Sundays???


Can't wait to see the traffic order.
Well, sorry to disagree, but the LH panels are as follows: -

top panel - M/C parking only at any time
bottom panel - Mon-Fri and Sat, at the times given, only permit holder or those paying to park their M/cs can park. So Sunday is all free for any M/c to park

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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The traffic order will reveal!

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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Did you hear back from council on this?

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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I agree with stamfordman about the sign
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Hackney Council, PCN for parking in a newly created motorcycle bay.
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The OP disappeared but this case for another Hackney location was won at the tribunal yesterday with the same sign issue.




Case reference   2250202096
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Hackney
VRM   LV61 YEG
   
PCN Details
PCN   QZ20469461
Contravention date   11 Jan 2025
Contravention time   14:16:00
Contravention location   Dunston Street
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked - place not designated for class of vehicle
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   21 Aug 2025
Adjudicator   Andrew Harman
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this vehicle was parked in a parking place not designated for that class of vehicle: on the council's case it, not being a motorcycle, was parked in a parking place for the use of motorcycles only.
On the appellant's case the sign was unclear. I agree with him. It may well be compliant, but it seems to me that it can be read as allowing both motorcyclists and, separately, J permit holders to park in this bay. I am not satisfied that the sign makes it clear that only motorcycles covered by a J permit can park on it. The appellant as a J permit holder in my view was entitled to conclude that he could park on the bay. I am not satisfied against this background as to the clarity of signage, and I accordingly find that the contravention did not occur.