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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Review hearing 26th February.
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Is the outcome known yet?
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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It's postponed until 27th March as I was out of the country.
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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@cp8759
@Pastmybest

The Adjudicator has asked the Appellant and her representative to consider the effect of Regulation
20 (3)(f) of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging
Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022and Regulation 3(2)(a) of the 2022
Appeals Regulations.
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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@Hippocrates to save going back through the thread, can you please post up the NTO on here?
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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« Last Edit: March 20, 2024, 03:43:58 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Hippo
I am making the assumption that one of the grounds of appeal is the date of service re date of contravention on the PCN.

It seems that the adjudicator may well be trying to get agreement that they are the same by reading 20(f) of the general regs as saying that the payment period is defined as date of service. For a PCN, it does not read along with 20(g) it is clear that the payment period for the NTO is from date of service but not the PCN

AIUI the tribunal are not keen as they say date of contravention and date of service on a reg 9 PCN are the same it is for you to convince them they are not always as per Jackson LJ in the Barnet case
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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@Pastmybest.In his decision, ***** did not deal with the important issue of the alleged procedural impropriety surrounding the conflation of date served/date delivered pertaining to the Notice to Owner.  The NtO date was 10th October; but, it was not received until the 13th October.  As argued verbally, whether prejudice was caused or not, if the appellant had counted from 13th October, she would have received a charge certificate.

I stress that this is not an attempt for a second bite at the cherry.  Rather, this application is based upon the original adjudicator’s lack of addressing the issue in his decision.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2024, 01:38:41 pm by Hippocrates »
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My e mail address for councils:

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 21, 2024, 01:29:37 pm
@Pastmybest.In his decision, ***** did not deal with the important issue of the alleged procedural impropriety surrounding the conflation of date served/date delivered pertaining to the Notice to Owner.  The NtO date was 10th October; but, it was not received until the 13th October.  As argued verbally, whether prejudice was caused or not, if the appellant had counted from 13th October, she would have received a charge certificate.

I stress that this is not an attempt for a second bite at the cherry.  Rather, this application is based upon the original adjudicator’s lack of addressing the issue in his decision.

Hippo the service date for a NTO is presumed as per the interpretation act so it is for you to prove if not within the 2 working days
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Yep. OP's word and statement. Still, the conflation of the two is not helpful.
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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@cp8759

Any further thoughts?
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 27, 2024, 08:07:10 am
@cp8759

Any further thoughts?
@Hippocrates who's the adjudicator? It seems to me the adjudicator is opening the door on the Shelley Sinclair argument on service v delivery, as per the cases on rows 316 to 325 on the key cases tab.

The only adjudicator who's ever refused it in a parking (i.e. TMA 2004) case is Teresa Brennan.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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CA.
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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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What a day!
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
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@cp8759

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/1202/regulation/11/made

Was I right or wrong to cite this? I always use it. Not that it mattered as we still continued.   :(  :'(
« Last Edit: March 29, 2024, 12:39:57 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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