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Greenwich, code 01 parked in a restricted street, Crooms Hill
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Hey,

I have received. PCN for parking on a single yellow line on Sunday in Crooms Hill (Greenwich Town centre), I did that based on this map https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/repo/pages/cpz/iframe.html where it says Greenwich Town Centre's controller hours are Mon-Sat (picture attached).  <br> <br>

My appeal was rejected, saying the zone has got signs at entry points, and I did go there today and indeed the sign says Mon-Sun, it is located a couple of minutes away from where I parked. <br> <br>

Is there any tangible chance to win the case, given the council's own website has got incorrect information? I still have 6 days to pay the reduced fine

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Re: Greenwich, code 01 parked in a restricted street, Crooms Hill
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Post your challenge and their rejection.

I'd say you're entitled to rely on their website.
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Another section of their portal lists Mon-Sun too, which makes it ever more confusing.

My challenge was the following
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I have checked today morning around 10:30-10:40 your official website https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/repo/pages/cpz/iframe.html which clearly states:

Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ)
Greenwich Town Centre (G)
Monday to Saturday 9am to 5pm

it still displays the information now. Based on the above, the logical thing to assume is that Sunday is okay to park on a single yellow line. I have got a video recording and screenshots of your website showing this information, therefore I would like to get my PCN cancelled.'

Their response is the following

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A total failure to address your reps about the council webpage. It is the usual Fob-Off letter, because they know that after they issue them, 99% of appellants just cough-up.
However, are you prepared to take the matter further and risk the full penalty at adjudication ?

Can you please post all sides of the PCN please.
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Thanks for the reply, there you go!

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risk the full penalty at adjudication

where does the adjucation take place/who looks at it?

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Re: Greenwich, code 01 parked in a restricted street, Crooms Hill
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Clearly a mess up by Greenwich Council on their website. Make sure you keep evidence in case website is updated.

The restrictions clearly should include Sunday. As that is the main day that day trippers come to Greenwich for market, park etc.

Sunday hours are different. Ending at 6pm rather than 5pm.  The council online map is wrong and forgot to include Sunday restrictions as well as mon-sat.

The thing is... Playing devil's advocate.

But isn't it incumbent on motorists to follow road signs?

It follows that the fact that the website is wrong, is mitigation only. And therefore cannot be considered by Tribunal.

So reliant on Greenwich Council to play fair, with discretion only.

Unless you set a trap for failure to consider.




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But isn't it incumbent on motorists to follow road signs?

This is exactly the reason why I am on the fence whether to pursue it or not, and decided to post here. The police would probably say the same thing, that road signs take priority over anything else. The fact that there are no signs at all relating to CPZ hours/restrictions along the whole street is dumb and infuriating, but it's not illegal
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Parking signs are not like speed limit signs.

I think you'd win if you go on with this. You diligently checked their website for applicable restrictions before setting off and this would put people off guard to a single zone entry sign. Even if you'd clocked it you may not have thought it applied at your destination given the size of some zones.
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