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Greenwich - 47J - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand (Camera enforcement)
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This was near the O2 Arena adjacent to bus depot.. It was my first time being there. Was looking for a safe palce to stop and the entrance for O2 to drop of somone visiting O2.

The video show me followoing the trailer on the bus stop lane and then me stopping beind it, trailer too stopped in front. From the time I stopped it was about 5-6 secs as shown in the video after that the video cuts out.


Also the left lane of the road past the bus stop have cones palced due to road works. I belive there was planned work going on.


Can upload the evidence if needed.
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Please to have  aread of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
All sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
council photos/video,
ans
a GSV link to the location.
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Why the stop?
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I was looking to drop of but wasn't sure if I was at the right place so I stopped, looked around and then drove off towards the car park.
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We saw a lot of bus stop PCNs on Millennium Way when Greenwich started enforcing there and I think it's a recent road development.

The video shows the contravention is made out but you may be able to fudge it by saying it looked like the truck was going into another lane, or something.

But currently Greenwich is not providing evidence to the tribunal in probably 50% of appeals so a gamble would be to try this as they will probably reject any reps you make. But there's a backlog of appeals so this would be punted to probably 6 months from now.
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If no one left the vehicle then to me it looks o be a normal stop due to the flow of traffic. As the CEOs needs a valid reason to believe a contravention occurs then the evidence as per the video is not IMO enough
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Quote from: Pastmybest on November 12, 2025, 03:14:00 pm
If no one left the vehicle then to me it looks o be a normal stop due to the flow of traffic. As the CEOs needs a valid reason to believe a contravention occurs then the evidence as per the video is not IMO enough

I am new to this PCN appeals
I have a question on what happens after the appeal is rejected. Does it go to the Tribunal where I need to attend peronally?
What happen when the Tribunal find we at fault they I end up paying the full £160 charge ?

What reason do I select when appealing or fudging.

Thanks for your time.
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From my memory, you have to apply to the Tribunal once the council rejects your appeal.. Cases are usually heard by phone these days, online with video, or in person.
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You first need to make representations to the council but first answer my question, did anyone depart the car or get in?
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No one left or entered the vehicle.
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Quote from: donaldf26 on November 17, 2025, 04:09:20 pm
No one left or entered the vehicle.

Ok then the reason for the representation is That the contravention did not occur

Send something along these lines

I make representations against the imposition of this PCN as the contravention did not occur. The stop as evidenced in the video was only in the normal course of driving in queuing traffic no person entered or left the vehicle and the PCN should now be cancelled
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Quote from: Pastmybest on November 17, 2025, 04:19:59 pm
Quote from: donaldf26 on November 17, 2025, 04:09:20 pm
No one left or entered the vehicle.

Ok then the reason for the representation is That the contravention did not occur

Send something along these lines

I make representations against the imposition of this PCN as the contravention did not occur. The stop as evidenced in the video was only in the normal course of driving in queuing traffic no person entered or left the vehicle and the PCN should now be cancelled

Also add

The Royal borough of Greenwich being a London borough have no vires to issue nor enforce a moving traffic contravention under TMA2004 which specifically excludes London boroughs who have to use the London Local act 2003 
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Quote from: Pastmybest on November 17, 2025, 04:38:42 pm
Quote from: Pastmybest on November 17, 2025, 04:19:59 pm
Quote from: donaldf26 on November 17, 2025, 04:09:20 pm
No one left or entered the vehicle.

Ok then the reason for the representation is That the contravention did not occur

Send something along these lines  not before the 24th of November when it will be to late for them to issue a LLAA2003 PCN

I make representations against the imposition of this PCN as the contravention did not occur. The stop as evidenced in the video was only in the normal course of driving in queuing traffic no person entered or left the vehicle and the PCN should now be cancelled

Also add

The Royal borough of Greenwich being a London borough have no vires to issue nor enforce a moving traffic contravention under TMA2004 which specifically excludes London boroughs who have to use the London Local act 2003 
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The Royal borough of Greenwich being a London borough have no vires to issue nor enforce a moving traffic contravention under TMA2004 which specifically excludes London boroughs who have to use the London Local act 2003
Well spotted ! I completely missed that one.

It's Regulation 1 (1)(5)(c) here: -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/part/1/made
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