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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
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Quote from: cp8759 on August 17, 2023, 07:04:12 pm
Quote from: j41sal on August 17, 2023, 12:31:10 pm
as i mentioned that I got 2 letters one dated 3/8/23 and the other 8/8/23 she replied that the my discount period ends on 19th.
I'm not sure you mentioned that here?

Post the letter dated 8 August please.

Hi cp8759

Finally found the letter dated the 8th August. Please see attached

No update from the online challenge as of yet.



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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
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Interesting FOI response.

How can they prove the camera is approved, if they don't know the make and model of the camera?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #32 on: »
Parking Services-This service is contracted to Videalert. The cameras are PADM58 :-\

Presumably, the said manufacturer has a certificate from the VCA?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1180987/approved-devices-granted-to-manufacturers.ods

Videalert Ltd Rapidly Deployable Server


Device: Rapidly Deployable Server (PDS)

The VCA certificate for the council states:

Device: Rapidly Deployable Server (PDS) fixed cameras.

In reality, this council never had a certificate at all to enforce bus lane contraventions prior to 8th February.  Deary me.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2023, 12:16:37 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #33 on: »
Hi just had this letter rejecting the challenge in the post today

Please see attached

Thank you

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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
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Personally I'd say carry on. I was meant to have a Greenwich bus lane appeal tomorrow, but the hearing's been cancelled as they haven't produced any evidence at all.

Let us know when you get the enforcement notice.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #35 on: »
I agree as they have staffing problems.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #36 on: »
Quote from: cp8759 on September 05, 2023, 11:16:03 pm
Personally I'd say carry on. I was meant to have a Greenwich bus lane appeal tomorrow, but the hearing's been cancelled as they haven't produced any evidence at all.

Let us know when you get the enforcement notice.

Thank you , will update once I get the enforcement notice

I take it yesterdays appeal was won in your favor ? or was it basically adjourned ?

Quote from: Hippocrates on September 06, 2023, 06:59:29 am
I agree as they have staffing problems.

thank you h
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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #37 on: »
cp said it was cancelled which means they adduced no evidence.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #38 on: »
Thank you great news!

Ok next update will be when I get the enforcement notice
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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
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The representations against the Enforcement Notice are the formal ones which need to be carefully-worded.  It is also clear from two cases sometime ago that this council does watch the internet. ::)  As soon as the officers' attendance was required at the hearing(s), (as per para. 7(6) of Schedule 1 to the LLA Act 1996 (as amended), they DNCed.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 08:43:09 am by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #40 on: »
hi all

i still have not received any enforcement letter from Greenwich council and was wondering whether I should contact them incase its been lost in the post. Also is there a time limit to which they would need to send the enforcement letter by ?


thank you
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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
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What's the online status of the PCN on council website?
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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #42 on: »
You can't see the status on the Greenwich website, it just says the amount due is £130. I'd wait because if they take too long to issue the enforcement notice, then you can challenge based on unfair delay.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #43 on: »
thank you will hold off contacting them for now...

they never even bothered to reply to my email about having 2 pcn sames numbers but different dates so they probably wouldn't reply.


will come back back again once i hear back from them without me contacting them


thanks
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Re: Greenwich, 34J - Bus Lane - Camera enforcement, woolwich road sw bound , maryon park 147733
« Reply #44 on: »
Ok have come home and had the enforcement letter in the post. Not sure the date of issue was 6/oct/23surely my post can't be coming 20 days late..

Attached are the notice



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