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Quote from: MMV Redux on August 08, 2023, 10:29:45 am

OP--getting the "bus lane closed" photos would be worthwhile.

It wouldn't hurt.

Thank you.I will some point over this weekend go back and video this bus lane closed however it will be before where my video began from, as seems the roadworks in the original council pcn has ended.

Do you think the road signs are correct or confusing?

Thanks again,  hopefully have some comments/opinions from other members of this forum

If there's no further comments in 2 / 3 days, bump the thread and I'll draft something for you.

Thought I'd bump the thread... to see if any comments

Your video shows bus lane signs on the offside, which seems to address the main issue around adequacy.

At this point the camera approval issue might be the strongest point, but we'll have to wait to confirm the make and model of the camera. The fact that the council has a recent certificate is not conclusive, as illustrated in the parking case of Imran Akhtar Ali v London Borough of Redbridge (2230298285, 05 August 2023).

Another angle is that the wrong location is stated on the PCN:, the PCN says Maryon Park but the CCTV camera is on South Lake Roundabout, and the bus lane in question is on the part of Woolwich Road between Charlton Lane and South Lake Roundabout, which is not adjacent to Maryon Park at all.

Give others a couple of days to comment but I'm minded to draft something based on the location issue, and while we wait for the informal rejection I should get confirmation of the camera make and model.

Hi CP8759

This post is mine https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-34j-bus-lane-camera-enforcement-woolwich-road-sw-bound-maryon-park-147/


Have spoke to Siman in the parking department at greeenwich on 0208 921 4339 @ 10.01am today as wanted to find out when my last chance for the discounted period ends -14 days - as i mentioned that I got 2 letters one dated 3/8/23 and the other 8/8/23 she replied that the my discount period ends on 19th.

I also explained i believed the bus lane was closed and she said by looking at the photos it looks to be closed but to put this    in the challenge and to she mentioned to state that I had received 2 letters dated different dates but having the same pcn number to which they realized lead to confusion.

Was wondering if you would help kindly to draw up a challenge or what your thoughts are. Appreciate your help on this

Regards

Quote from: j41sal on August 17, 2023, 12:31:10 pm

as i mentioned that I got 2 letters one dated 3/8/23 and the other 8/8/23 she replied that the my discount period ends on 19th.

I'm not sure you mentioned that here?

Post the letter dated 8 August please.

Unfortunately I have misplaced the letter dated the 8th of august . Have emailed them today for the copy of the nto dated 8-8-23 via email today morning but I don't think they will reply by the end of today making it late for the 14 days discount period they have said i have till the 19th of august to challenge

will update you as soon as I get a reply back from them. In the meantime i will search again for the nto stupidly I didn't even take a photo of it.


The person at greenwich mentioned to challenge the ticket online.

If there's no further comments in 2 / 3 days, bump the thread and I'll draft something for you.

Hi Cp8759

Today is my last day to challenge the pcn with the discounted period.

Are you able to help challenge this pcn today ?

Thank you

Sorry in a bit of a rush but this will do:

Dear Royal Borough of Greenwich,

I contest liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. I have reviewed the video and it does not show my vehicle in a bus lane in the vicinity of Maryon Park, the footage appears to be of some other location. It follows that the contravention alleged on the PCN did not occur.

Yours faithfully,

Thank you,will update here with any news

I believe that cp is cross-referencing certificates with actual named cameras.

thank you for letting me know.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1167140/approved-devices-granted-to-local-authorities.ods

They do have a new certificate since February.  Only Bromley and Hackney do not have.  The latter will sort it out shortly:  their manufacturer has one but the council doesn't!

The two cases DNCed by members of pepipoo were taken to the Tribunal and Greenwich claimed staff shortage.  In fact, they had no certificate at all though their NORs said they did!  This story will develop.

Bromley now have one effective 9th August.