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Hi All, didn't see this one coming. was too focused on keeping it at 20mph lol. However, i dont think there was any signs before this. And google street view is not updated: street view link

Here are images of PCN:
https://ibb.co/GZwHMj6
https://ibb.co/BY4CySG
https://ibb.co/5gymny5b

I appreciate any support, and I am happy to share any other info.

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Video shows you passing the sign without any hesitation at all, and head on. If you'd turned left out of Station Crescent you might have had a case. Even if there is no advance warning, I doubt you'd convince an adjudicator you missed these signs. Did you even know what they were ?

Appreciate your response. I was already going slow and i have never ever seen this kind of sign before. new to that area, and did not look like the 52m signs. was very confused by the blue colour hence why i crossed it with a "what the hell is that sign, oh well" attitude. not the smartest of people either, im 55 haha.


I'm afraid I cannot see any robust appeal argument for the contravention itself. You didn't know what the sign meant, so, (rather misguidely), drove straight past it. Not good for your wallet !

However, there may be a 'technical' appeal argument based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process itself, so wait a bit until Hippocrates has posted, but don't miss the discount deadline if that is what you are minded to do.


Please look at the first link in my forum profile and use it. PCN is in valid. PCN is missing mandatory information.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Please look at the first link in my forum profile and use it. PCN is in valid. PCN is missing mandatory information.

Thanks Hippocrates. But when copy and pasting it into Greenwich's website. it only gives me 1000 characters. And the passage of text on your post was about 1050 characters. even tried to remove some spaces, what to do?

cant beleive they dont even let us write more than 1000 characters yet they send us bundles of stupidity through the post.

Put into a pdf
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Hi. @Hippocrates ,hope you're well. I used your first link of your profile forum as a template for this PCN, and received a NOR. Here are the pictures of letters:

Picture 1
Picture 2
Picture 3
Picture 4 ad 5?

Thanks for your help. And also, I copied the template as you instructed, and sent it as a PDF to them as there was no space on website form.

What did you write exactly please?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Hippocrates , this is what i wrote:

"
Appeal:
I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN as it is missing mandatory
information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased
charge may be payable.
Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
with the date of the notice;
Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make
representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of
this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds to the lack of clarity by its
omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also
arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as
being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively,
there is still no clarity due to the missing information. So, it follows that it cannot possibly be
interpreted disjunctively"

Thanks. Well it's 50/50. The other possibility is that they hardly ever contest appeals these days. Your choice.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Hippocrates , im with you on whichever option can get rid of this quick. Do you mean that they wont fight against appeals made to tribunals?
Thanks.

Like  everything else in life it is a gamble that they do not contest or adduce any evidence. My argument really needs to be resolved at the High Court as not all adjudicators agree.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Hippocrates . Yeah true. Let's say I go ahead witht hat and i lose. do i still pay the intitial payment.
I mean, your win against Hounslow was a clear and easy win. your argument held ground well so why wouldnt it with Greenwich?

Thanks again and looking forward to your thoughts

@Hippocrates . Yeah true. Let's say I go ahead witht hat and i lose. do i still pay the intitial payment.
I mean, your win against Hounslow was a clear and easy win. your argument held ground well so why wouldnt it with Greenwich?

Thanks again and looking forward to your thoughts
The full price is what you pay if you lose. The system is an aleatoric lottery most of the time. My argument needs to be tested at the High Court if there is no general agreement among adjudicators.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2025, 06:04:23 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r